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What i believe about the lords of the lash and lords of the loom is that it was hipocritical of the north to hate the south because of slavery but the fact that they are ignoring if there was no slavery there would be no cotton for them to make textiles and they would most likely begin to fall and crumble slowly. The fact that annoys me the most is when even in our own decleration of independance everyone is created 'equally' but north america has slavery? There was an unbelievable amount of slaves working for plantations. The near thought of someone owning someone else as their property and treats them as they wish just disgusts me. I believe that everyone should have equa rights and we should throw anyone in jail for life they are found having a slave. When the american colonies were dependant on slavery they were only making their money from cotton. The thought that was running through most of peoples heads were, why fix it if it is making us loads of money. This is where i begin to believe that america was becoming corrupt. Until president Abraham Lincoln. He was against the thought of having slavery in a country and was wanting to get rid of it forever/ This is why he is my favorite president because me and him hated the thought of slavery. This is why i hated the thought of the lords of the lash and lords of the loom
Logan Kemper from 69.243.162.121 @ 10:51 pm on 04/14/2014
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Lords of the Lash and Lords of the Loom. The main difference between the mill girls and slaves is: The mill girls were paid, but the slaves worked all of their lives with no pay.
The Slaves and Mill girls were given food and water, A place to live; even though Slaves have less quality food and water and living conditions, they still had it. They both worked hard, day in and day out, even though slaves had harder work, working out in the hot field while the mill girls worked in a factory. Where jobs were divided up to make the tasks easier for mass production to take less time.
Slaves had the opportunity to escape their confinement at very high risks, like having being branded, being whipped into submission, having a part of the foot cut off, having a part of the ear cut off, death, and then the worst possible punishment, being sold to a even more abusive slave master.
The mill girls had so much more than other women in society; they actually had a job! Women in this time period didn’t have as many rights as they do now. Women weren’t paid as much as Men were. Their jobs were a little easier compared to what the slaves had, but not a lot easier.
Slaves and mill girls are very alike, yet they have differences that made them very different, Solomon Northup’s life of freedom was taken from him and he was a slave for 12 years, he worked in the fields day in and day out. He had to go 12 years without seeing his wife and children. Mill girls worked for 8 months out of the year; thus Mill girls were able to see their families. I’m sure that any slave would love to see their family that was sold to a different plantation owner and will probably never see each other again.
Mill girls lives weren’t all pie in the sky though, they did have to suffer being discriminated agenst, and discriminating women in the workplace is still a problem in society…just like slavery.
Justin Kline from 98.223.21.69 @ 4:52 pm on 04/14/2014
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Slaves and Lowell mill girls were alike,and different at the same time. 'Slaves were normally Africans, while mill girls were white and 'usually aged 15/25.'' Another difference was where they lived. Slaves would live in huts and outhouses normally outside the plantation house. ''Generally mill girls lived in boarding houses, which were normally three and a half stories high, and held 20/40 people.'' The boarding houses were run by female keepers who kept strict and unfair rules. The difference between Solomon Northrop and Harriet Robinson is Solomon did all of his work outside such as building things out of wood or he would chop down trees sometimes or most of the time he would work in the cotton fields and for twelve years. Harriet Robinson worked in a factory working at the loom making shirts, blankets almost anything out of cotton from 1832 to 1848.There were also differences in the two different jobs. The girls working in the factories were payed to do their job. They were barely payed anything but they were payed. 'Her labor could command but small return'. This is what the women in the factories felt like. They were working hard and almost got nothing in return. For every dollar a man made for working, a women got only 40 cents! The slaves however were payed nothing at all. Also when you worked in a factory you got payed very little and when you worked outside like Solomon Northrop you did not get payed at all. The difference between the way the got out is very different, Solomon Northrop started as a free man in New York were Harriet Robinson was not a slave she was a factory worker. so Solomon was kidnapped into slavery and the difference between the way they got out is Solomon Northrop had a powerful New York governor sent by his wife go get him with papers stating that he was a free man, and Harriet Robinson tried for more than a decade to be free through court systems. There hours were also different Solomon worked as soon as it was light to when it was dark he had one break at twelve for ten minutes to eat his cold bacon and received absolutely no pay. Harriet Robinson worked from 5 in the morning to seven in the evening and had an half hour break to eat breakfast and one half hour break to eat dinner and we're payed two dollars a week. So Harriet Jacobs definitely did not have it easy but it was for sure better than Solomon Northrop's job. Neither the mill girls nor the slaves were treated fairly. They were very close to being in the same position, except one was free and one was not, but neither of them were truly free so over all Solomon and Harriet lived similar lives while working. They both weren't treated nicely while working. What they did was dangerous for them. They both grew up in a time that wasn't very pleasant for African Americans and women. They both got through it a survived to write about to let other people know what it was like back then.
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Dalton Walker from 165.139.252.252 @ 1:13 pm on 04/13/2014
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One thing that is the similar in the stories are they are hit. In Solomon Northrup If it falls in short in weight, if he didn't performed the full task appointed him, he know that he met suffer. After weighing ,following the whippings; and then the baskets are carried to the cotton house,and their contents stored away like hay,all hands being sent in to tramp it down.But in the mill girls, in the eyes of her overseer she was but a brute,a slave,to be beaten, pinched and pushed about. The difference about Solomon Northrup and the mill girls that the work hours are different. Those of the mill girls who had homes generally worked from eight to ten mouths in the year;the rest of the time was spent with parents or friends. A few taught school during the summer mouths. Their life in factory was pleasant to them. In those days there was no need of advocating the doctrine of the proper relation between employer and employed. In Solomon Northrup you are a slave for life or set free.
Katelin Doud from 165.139.252.252 @ 1:51 pm on 04/04/2014
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While, in all honesty, these two are very similar, there are a few major differences. You have to look at the main fact that one was a choice and one was not. It may seem like the mill girls didn't have much choice, but if they really didn't want to go, I suppose they wouldn't have to, and there definitely wasn't a death threat thrown at them if they didn't go. Whereas, with slavery, it was work or die [or be intensely abused in front of your friends, family, and fellow slaves].
Now looking at smaller differences, we can identify other minor [but still obvious] differences.
> Meals
Slaves were lucky to get food, let alone regular portions, or good quality food. In theSolomon Northrup excerpt we read 'All that is allowed them is corn and bacon, which is given out at the corncrib and smoke- house every Sunday morning. Each one receives, as his weekly allowance, three and a half pounds of bacon, and corn enough to make a peck of meal. That is all- - no tea, coffee, sugar, and with the exception of a very scanty sprinkling now and then, no salt....', which shows that not only were the slaves given little food, it often was not good quality or appetizing at all, let alone not prepared and hot waiting for them three times a day as was said in the Mill Girls video.
>Pay
While the mill girls were paid very little, they were still paid. The slaves however, we're forced to work, and if they were given money it was considered a gift.
>Lodging
The mill girls were given dorm like housing with a cook/caretaker. The rooms were a bit crowded but overall nice places. The slaves were often living in shacks and huts, taking care of themselves.
Now to look at the similarities. They both worked awful hours, and didn't get much choice. While the mill girls didn't get their lives threatened, they needed the money to survive. The two are nearly incomparable if you take into consideration what all the slaves had to go through. But, it's understandable how the girls could've felt like slaves.
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bailey huttenlocker from 165.139.252.252 @ 11:18 am on 04/04/2014
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The lives of a slave and a mill girl in the 1800s were very similar and very different. What some things their lives had in common were they both had been slaved into working all day and waking up early in the morning to work all day long, following rules of their masters for at least their whole life. They were both enslaved with a master, and sometimes even got treated the same way, they all lived together with the other slaves/mill girls, they both had a chance to get an education but to slaves it was hard for them to get someone to teach and sometimes it was really all they wanted.
The differences between Solomon north up and Harriet Robinsons life were the slaves didn't get the chance to get paid for the work they did, while mill girls got the chance to get paid two dollars a week. The mill girls worked from five in the morning to seven in the afternoon then go back to their headquarters and eat dinner, while slaves worked until their masters said they could stop and they didn't get that great of meals or no meals at all. The girls working at the mill, over the summer, got to go back home for awhile and visit family while slaves never got to see family. Some Slave masters didn't want the slaves to have an education so they never taught hem how to read or write, mill girls were offered an education and paid through their working money.
Harriet Robinson 'Those of the millgirls who had homes generally worked from eight to ten months in the year; the rest
of the time was spent with parents or friends. A few taught school during the summer months. Their life in the factory was made pleasant to them. In those days there was no need of advocating the doctrine of the proper relation between employer and employed. Help was too valuable to be ill- treated....'
Solomon Northrup 'An hour before day light the horn is blown. Then the slaves arouse, prepare their breakfast, fill a gourd with water, in another deposit their dinner of cold bacon and corn cake, and hurry to the field again. It is an offense invariably followed by a flogging, to be found at the quarters after daybreak. Then the fears and labors of another day begin; and until its close there is no such thing as rest....'
Caeley Lenn from 165.139.252.252 @ 10:24 am on 04/04/2014
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Solomon Northrup and Harriet Robinson were both workers but they worked under vary different conditions such as location and the environment that they did their work. Harriet Robinson was a white woman who worked in the loom mills around machines. But Solomon Northrup lived in the south on a plantain and he was a slave and work in field with hand tools. And they had different statices because Harriet Robinson is white she was not induced to segregation of skin color but she was induced with the fact that she is a woman in a mans world. Solomon Northrup was a free black man who was kidnaped and forced into slavery. And being black he was induced into the racial segregation and hardships of a slave.
They had different working hours the girls at the mill worked about 14 hours a day when a slave in the south has forced to work 'They do not dare to stop even at dinner time, nor return to the quarters, however late it be, until the order to halt is given by the driver.' And the slaves worked till they died. They also weren't payed at all, but the loom girls were. They also had overseers and some of them are kind but others weren't.
Now how some of these persons came to work as slaves is eater kidnaping, your born into it or, your sold into it witch can be that your family sold you into it. The lowgirls were most of the time set be families or sent on their own reasons. The lowgirls needed money mostly so they can support a family or send someone to get an education. Most of them were here on someones else's account.
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Allen from 165.139.252.252 @ 10:08 am on 04/04/2014
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Even though the slaves in the south didn't know the mill girls in the north, they lived the same lives. The expression ' Lords of the Looms and Lords of the lashes', means that the slave owners with the lashes are in the cotton fields with the slaves, who are picking the cotton. Next the lords the looms are the mill girls, who are turning the cotton into thread. Even though they are different jobs they both relay on each other, because without cotton there no thread and when thread isn't made there will be no jobs for the mill girls who are trying to support their families. Even though the slaves are suffering and slavery has gone up, the loom people don't realize the slaves are suffering to give them a job at the textile mills. The slaves in the south were beaten in the cotton fields picking the cotton, when the mill girls were beaten in the factories making the cotton into thread. Both slaves and mill girls were caught in the middle of the growing profit of cotton in the 1800's. Both jobs were very dangerous too, like in the mill the machines are very dangerous and replacing a belt can get your arm torn off, and in the cotton fields if you didn't weigh in enough cotton you can be whipped so hard that you couldn't move the next day. There were some differences though, like the slaves didn't have freedom and had to work without pay. The mill girls were free and got paid two dollars to fifty cents every week! In today's world, you can't buy a pack of gum for fifty cents! The mill girl got to have two brakes one for breakfast and one for dinner. The slaves had only one break and that was breakfast, which include cold beacon' which they only got three and a half pounds each week',and a slice of cornbread. The mill girls jobs were easier to, the 'doffers', only worked fifteen minutes out of every hour that took off the full bobbins and replaced them with empty ones. The slaves had many more jobs than that. After the fields they would have to chop wood, feed the cattle and other animals, clean the house, cook food for their master's family, then give then the food and wait on them for their every need. Both of these jobs would be horrible to have because imagine if you were ten years old and having to work for your family or working to give your brother an education when your barley getting one, or waking up at sunrise to work the cotton fields and don't stop until the sunset. I would never want to experience what the slaves and the mill girls had to go through.
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Olivia Wenger from 165.139.252.252 @ 10:07 am on 04/04/2014
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Life as a slave was extremely tough. They worked from sun up to sun down and sometimes more. They got very little to eat and lived in a housing unit called slave quarters. They didn't have beds and if they did they were built by a slave and were very uncomfortable. I guess it was better than the floor though. 'An hour before day light the horn is blown. Then the slaves arouse, prepare their breakfast, fill a gourd with water, in another deposit their dinner of cold bacon and corn cake, and hurry to the field again.' Solomon Northrop. 'Each one must then attend to his respective chores. One feeds the mules, another the swine- - another cuts the wood, and so forth; besides, the packing is all done by candle light.' Solomon Northrop. Some masters were nicer than others. Some would whip there slave if the slave even looked at them or sometimes the master wouldn't care I'd if the slave did anything or not he would whip them jut as much. Others were a lot nicer, they would only whip if it was necessary, some would even give their slaves a nicer place to live, less work hours, and a little more to eat. Few masters would let their slave get a job to make money.Sometime the master would even teach a few to read and write. Slaves would run away no matter what kind of master they had, they didn't want to be owned by someone. The Lowell girls had it pretty tough too. The difference is that the Lowell girls got paid, not very much, but they got paid. They lived in housing units called factory quarters. There was a house mother that would cook them breakfast, lunch, and dinner. 'The early mill girls were of different ages. Some were not over ten years old; a few were in middle life, but the majority were between the ages of sixteen and twenty five.' Harriet Jacobs. They would wake up every morning at five am and had to be at work by six. They would get a half an hour for a lunch. The. They would eat dinner at seven. After dinner they would go to bed. After a while that changed. The girls started teaching themselves to read and write. They eventually started staying up at night working on a protest. 'One of the first strikes that ever took place in this country was in Lowell in 1836.' Harriet Jacobs. The slaves and the Lowell girls are different in so many ways but similar in some ways. Slaves would runaway and eventually protest and the Lowell girls protested. Neither the slaves or the Lowell girls knew how to read or write and had to teach themselves. The Lowell girls got paid for there work and the slaves did not. They both had it rough but they both figured out how to overcome it and make it better or go away.
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Emily Davis from 165.139.252.252 @ 9:58 am on 04/04/2014
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The mill girl started working when they are 15 years old. The laborers started working when they are about 17. The mill girls worked hard but not as hard as the laborers. They were very hard works. If they didn't do there job they got In trouble. They got yelled at a lot. Most people didn't even get payed. The woman had to put cotton on the turners. The woman only make 40 cents a week. The woman didn't want to go work there where they were 15 they where teenagers and they didn't get to live it. The laborers worked hard they had to go get stuff and take it back to people. So I think the jobs where quell.
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Lynnzi Harrington from 165.139.252.252 @ 9:45 am on 04/04/2014
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The story of Solomon Northrup and the story of Harriet Hanson Robinson are very similar and very different at the same time.
Solomon Northrup was a free black man that was kidnapped and sold in to slavery, but was later set free ,after 12 years of enslavement, with the help of the New York's governor. Harriet Hanson Robinson was a Lowell mill girl. She was not forced in to the work. Harriet did this at her own will because she wanted to earn money for herself and she thought working in the mills would be a good experience for her.
For 12 years of his life, Solomon was a slave. He had to get up an hour before the first light of day to go out and work in the fields. Him and all the other slaves worked all day and in to the night, with no breaks. How long
They worked that day depended on how fast they got all their work done. If they did not get all their work done they were whipped. The slaves were not paid but were given three and one half pounds of bacon and some corn for the week.
Harriet started working in the mills ,illegally at the age of 10. She worked 14 hours a day for about nine mouths a year. She was paid about two dollars a week.
One of the biggest differences between slaves and the mill girls is that the mill girl were seen as to valuable to be ill treated but slaves were whipped all the time, some times even if they did nothing wrong. Another difference is that the mill girls were paid but slaves weren't. They were only given a small amount of food to last the weekend. Also Harriet could quit her job at the mills but Solomon could not quit or even get fired. He was required or forced to work.
Solomon and Harriet were in similar situations. Just like slaves the mill girls were not respected. They were treated a lot better than slaves but still were not respected. Most of the overseers treated the mill girls as slaves. Also just like the slaves, the mill girls had living quarters near the factory.
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Megan Hawkins from 165.139.252.252 @ 9:19 am on 04/04/2014
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In the two stories I read twelve years as a slave and mill girls there were a little alike and a little different. In twelve years as a slave they talk about how the slaves used to work in fields and in mill girls they worked in mills spinning. In twelve years as a slave they also have more chores to do after they pick the cotton. They have to put the cotton in baskets that they have made then after they are don't picking the cotton! The cotton must be weighed and if it is not the right amount of how much it needs to way the slave knows that he is going to suffer. They also said how they had to work from sun up to sun down everyday even if it was passed time they still had to work. They even had to keep working even if it was dinner time, they were told to keep working so they never stopped. They had to eat cold bacon and cold corn cake for dinner. After the month of January they plant corn and they have to harvest, picking cotton, gathering the corn, and pulling and burning the stalks. They both did cotton work but they did it in different ways in both readings. In the mill girls reading I read that there were girls working under the age of ten. I also read that the older women worked 8 to 10 months of the year. The girls got paid two dollars a week. The younger girls said that they went to school to be taught or went to hang out with some of there friends. They had to digress a little because they need to speak of the influence about money. In the late 1840s the women went on strike for the first time because they thought that they weren't getting paid enough and the jobs weren't fair.They are alike in both readings by they are similar because they both have someway that they both make cotton. They talk a lot about how they are different but they are the same because even though they have different ways to do it they are still the same exact thing as making Cotten but they have different rules for each slave reading. 383 words
Spencer Gee from 165.139.252.252 @ 9:17 am on 04/04/2014
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The slaves and Mill girls were almost the same. The Mill girls did get to choses to go work. But they would have to live together in a house that they had to say in. They also had food mad for them and they got paid less then the man. The mill girls got paid 49 cents and some times less than that. They had to get so much work done in one day. They had to get up before the sun came up and was done late at night. The slaves didn't have a choses to work or not they had to. The slaves didn't get paid at all unlike the mill girls. The slaves had to get up early in the morning and got back to there quarters late at night and had to make supper for them selves or if they had a family why would have to make it for them. They had to pick so much cotton be fire they got to stop and go home. Some of the slaves would have to work through the night. Most of the salves also had to work out side on hot days and cold days. When the Mill girls had to work In side a one place with three stories. And each one would have stay and work in there area in the hot work area until, they got to go and eat there lunch. The slaves didn't get a lunch brake until they were done in the fields or in their masters house. Some of the same things is that they had to live together, they had to get up early and got home late, they both had a over seer, they didn't have to think about if they are going to get to eat today. Some of the differences is that the mill girls got to chose to leave home and go work for money and the slaves didn't have a choses to be a slave. The girls got money and the slaves didn't. The mill girls weren't wiped or hit and the slaves could if they were being bad or not doing what they were told. Words 362
Elizabeth Miller from 165.139.252.252 @ 8:30 am on 04/04/2014
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Lords of the Lash and Lords of the Loom; in the mid 1800s, there were slaves and there were mill-girls, each of them a prisoner of discrimination and criticism. Being a slave was different than being a mill-girl, because your hard work didn't result in money, you were just fed more. I would also say they were different due to the fact that if their task was not carried through properly, they would have to take whatever punishment thought necessary by their master. However, instead of a beating, mill-girls would be ridiculed and disrespected by their overseers. For example, Solomon Northrup wrote in his narrative that, 'The day's work over in the field, the baskets are carried into the gin-house where the basket is weighed. No matter how fatigued and weary he may be—no matter how much he longs for sleep and rest— a slave never approaches the gin-house with his basket of cotton but with fear. If it falls short in weight— if he has not accomplished the full task appointed to him, he knows that he must suffer. And if he has exceeded it by ten or twenty pounds, in all probability, his master will measure the next day's task accordingly.' Slaves didn't have much choice in where they worked, what the master said went.
Also, slaves had to put up with the snide remarks of their overseer and master, no talking back and no defending yourself, they just had to keep working. Slaves were not paid to deal with the ridicule, whereas mill-girls were. In Harriet Robinson's writing, she says that 'She was represented as subjected to influences that must destroy her purity and self-respect. In the eyes if her overseer she was but a brute, a slave, to be beaten, pinched, and pushed about. It was to overcome this prejudice that such high wages had been offered to women that they might be induced to become a mill girl, in spite of the opprobrium that still clung to this degrading occupation...' In extreme cases, mill-girls who were fed up with the judgement could always quit, but they needed the money. Instead they went on strike. The punishment for mill girls was not execution or beatings, they either got what they want or were criticized by men and 'high class' women.
Despite these differences, slaves and mill-girls also had their similarities. Neither a slave nor a mill-girl could spend money, unless a slave was fortunate enough to be paid every once in a while. Slaves were not usually given money, so they had none to spend, but mill-girls were paid. In the words of Harriet Robinson, 'A woman was not supposed to be capable of spending her own, or of using other people's money, in Massachusetts, before 1840, a woman could not legally be the treasurer of her own sewing society, unless some man were responsible for her. The law took no cognizance of woman as a money spender. She was a ward, an appendage, a relict.' In this way, slave men actually had more justice than mill-girls, for—if lucky enough—he was capable of spending the money his master gave him. Mill-girls had to save it for the men. That's all they got to do: save, save, save. Whether the money goes to the woman's son or brother is up to her, but it did not go to the woman. There is never too much work for mill-girls and slaves. It is a vicious cycle for them, work all day, cater to your masters kris husbands at night, and as Solomon Northrup said, 'The fears and labors of another day begin; and until it's close, there is no such thing as rest...'
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Kylinn DePalma from 165.139.252.252 @ 7:58 am on 04/04/2014
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In the early 1800s,slavery took place. Slavery could be put in different forms meaning different meanings. Solomon Northrop was a free man who was captured into slavery and was a slave for twelve years before he returned home again with the help of a New York governor. Harriet Robinson was a mill girl who started working at the factory when she was ten years old with the other women. There were no men In this type of job. The difference between them is the type of slavery they went through. The mill girls had a choice of whether or not if they wanted to start working in the factory. The slave how ever did not have a choice and could be thrown into slavery at any moment. 'Solomon Northrop was a free black man from New York that was kidnapped into slavery for twelve years. ' The girls in the mill had a freer will then the slaves. Slavery for solomon ment that he was owned for the rest of his life by someone else and was taken away from his family. While slavery for Harriet was working inside a factory for 14 hours a day and then returns home to her family. 'Those of mill girls who had homes generally worked from eight to ten months in a year; the rest of the time was spent with parents or friends.' She also gets paid at the end of every week. 'If she worked out as a servant or 'help', her wages were from 50 cents to $1.00 a week; or, if she went from house to house by the day to spin and weave, or do tailoress work, she could get 75 cents a week and her meals.' Solomon didn't get paid at all. They both though still have to work very hard and with long hours. Solomon said, '...they are not permitted to be a moment of idle until it is too dark to see, and when the moon is full, they often labor until the middle of the night.' While Harriet's job only required her to do fourteen hours a day from five o'clock in the morning to seven in the evening. And if she doesn't get all of her tasks done, she will probably just get a cut in wages. In Solomon's case, if slaves didn't meet the requirements, they had to deal with brutal whippings. Although they had many difference, they were still put in some sort of slavery. They had to put up with harsh work and long working hours. Slavery had different meanings in different cases and these are just two.
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Madie singer from 165.139.252.252 @ 1:28 am on 04/04/2014
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The 1800s was a tough time for America with slaves and underpaid mill workers. When comparing the mill girls to slaves back in the 1800s, I believe that slaves had it much tougher than mill girls, but there were some similarities between the two. They also had many differences between the two. One similarity was that they both had at least one break during the day, the mill girls had two 30 minute breaks, and most enslaved workers only had about 15 minutes for their lunch break. 'Year 1853 Text the hands are required to be in the cotton field as soon as it is light in the morning, and, with the exception of ten or fifteen minutes, which is given them at noon to swallow their allowance of bacon' (Solomon Northrop 1853 first paragraph). 'The working hours of all the girls extended from five o'clock in the morning until seven in the evening, with on half out each, for breakfast and dinner.' (Harriet Robinson paragraph 4)
Another similarity was that they both had an overseer, but he power of the overseer was different between the two. The overseer in the mills can only yell at them or fire them, they cannot abuse the girls in public. The overseer for slaves however, is a completely different story, they can whip their slaves until there is a pool of blood beneath their feet right in front of everyone, and there isn't anything that anyone can do about it. One major difference between the mills and slavery is of course, the fact that the mill girls work for money, and the slaves worked because they were forced to and didn't have any other choice. 'If she worked out as servant, or 'help,' her wages were from 50 cents to 1.00 dollar a week; or, if she went from house to house but he day to spin and weave, or do tailoress work, she could get about 75 vents a week and her meals' (Harriet Robinson paragraph 8). 'Each one receives as his weekly allowance, three and a half pounds of bacon, and corn enough to make a peck of meal' (Solomon Northrop 1853 paragraph 3). Another difference was that slaves could be whipped if they didn't perform as they were supposed to, mill girls were punished by either being yelled at or being fired. Mills and slavery had many differences and similarities, but there is no doubt in my kind that slavery was worse than being in the mills. Mills were the closest thing to slavery at the time though, the mill girls just had much more freedom than slaves. They were put under very poor working conditions, and the places were they slept were even worse, back in the 1800s was a bad time to be around in my opinion.
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Kevin Lenahan from 165.139.252.252 @ 9:20 pm on 04/03/2014
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The Robinson and Northup stories are the same in certain ways. They both describe the conditions of how they were treated and what work they had to do.
Solomon Northup's case was slavery ,but Harriet Robinson's case was she was a mill girl.
Working in a mill girl or just working in a mill or factory is almost exactly like being a slave.
For instance, there were little rights for women much like slaves. Unlike some slave, women were paid around 40-75 ยข.
Solomon Northup was born a free African American, but he was later captured and taken down south. He forced into slavery for 12 years before he was rescued.
In the excerpt, he describes what that slaves had to eat, and what jobs they had. He said 'Each one receives, as his weekly allowance, three and a half pounds of bacon, and corn enough to make a peck of meal.'
In the Robinson excerpt, she described what jobs the mill girls had, and what they made, for example she said that most of the girls who worked there weren't over 10 years old.
Both Northup and Robinson had to follow someone else's rules and ways of life.
They both had to do what someone else wanted to do, and act like they wanted to act.
Slaves like Solomon Northup, were forced to work all day, but mill girls were suppose to work anywhere from 8 to around 14 hours a day!
In my honest opinion, I wouldn't even want to work for mor than 5 hours a day.
I would feel bad for anyone how has to work for more than 5 hours in a day, but I see why people do that. People need to get money so they can provide for their families.
Being a slave, you don't get paid one cent, but they do what their master wants them to do so their family has an easier life, and does not have to deal with the lashings and beatings.
Most of the women who worked in the factories, tended the looms, hints the name ' Lords of the lash and Lords of the loom'
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Tristan Carter from 165.139.252.252 @ 5:27 pm on 04/03/2014
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Slave and mill girls has some similarities and so differences. Slaves were different from mill girls bc slaves were forced to work, the didn't have a choice, and mill girls would sign up to work at a very 'young age none over 10 years of age, but some would be at middle life would be called doffers'. Slaves had a very hard life, they would be taken away from there families, some at a young age and some at older ages, they were so young that they didn't know what was going on. And if they didn't do something right like if they didn't have enough Cotten when they would weigh it they would get in big trouble and get wiped, and if they had too many pounds over, than they would get wiped for that to. But on the other hand the 'mill girls would just have there pay cut by the overproduction in 1834' Mill girls had a much better life than the slaves,but (I'm not saying like an easy life), they just had a life where they didn't get punished as bad as slaves would they had actual enclosed and warm houses to sleep in with a stove and beds, slaves sometimes just had to sleep on the floor. And the mill girls would payed actual money, they got payed, but got less money than the male workers would, and if you were a woman that worked in the loom factories, 'in 1856 you would get paid 40 to 80 cents a day, and in 1842 it increased and went up to 1450 for 4 weeks (6 day for 12 hour days)'The slaves would get 'rewarded for there hard work with three and a half pounds of cold bacon, and just enough corn to make a peck of a meal'. The slaves would have to work out in the super hot weather for hours and hours until it got dark enough out to stop. Mill girls would have to work as many hours as 10 hour day in the 1840s and 50s. Some similarities that slaves and mill girls had in common were that some slaves knew how to read and write but very few because if anybody would find out they would tell on them, but mill girls knew how to read and write and it wasn't a big of a deal, but if caught they should be punished and may be killed.
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Gabbi Randall from 165.139.252.252 @ 4:47 pm on 04/03/2014
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The story on Solomon Northrup and Harriet Robinson are kinda alike. The story over Solomon Northrup is he is a black man who was born a free man in New York who was kidnapped illegally and taken into slavery. The story on Harriet Robinson is you have to be 15 or older to work in and factory but she was forced I to the factory's illegally at the age of 10. The thing that is the same about them two is that they are pretty much forced to work illegally and no one knows that they illegally kidnapped. So they were pulled away from there family all because people wanted the. To work for the. Which isn't fair to the families or Solomon and Harriet.
Harriet Robinson was or to work 8 to 10 months a years and Solomon was forced to work all day everyday day for 12 years. Solomon and Harriet didn't actually think that they will forced for that long. They both still got to send letters well Solomon did Harriet she was allowed to spend the rest of the time with her family after 10 months was over sometimes the girls couldn't even go see their family some of the girls that worked at the factory that was older had to go teach summer school. Harriet was forced to work at the factory for 8 hours but then a 10 hour law passed so they had to work 10 hours and sometime they would make them work over time. The only breaks Solomon Northrup got was to play his fiddle and the other breaks was to eat. Then Solomon was put to watch the slaves in the field and if anyone did anything bad the master made Solomon whoop them. Sometimes Solomon would fake and he wouldn't even whoop them he would go inside and he would hit the wood and make them yell so that it made it sound like he was whooping them.
Even though Harriet Robinson was white it was pretty much like slavery to her because she wasn't even old enough to work in the factory but she still had too. Solomon Northrup isn't actually counted a slave because he was born free so even though that master thought he owned him Solomon knew that he was till free and that he was gonna get away no matter what happened to him. Solomon was actually better than all the slaves out there because he had enough time in his life to learn how to read and write. So that is exactly how Solomon Northrup and Harriet Robinson was alike and different. 439 words.
Dorian beard from 165.139.252.252 @ 11:30 am on 04/03/2014
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Being a slave, and being a mill girl were very different. Slaves didn't get paid for their hard work, unlike mill girls did. Mill girls got paid two dollars per hour. Slaves rewards of their hard work was having dinner. A similarity for both a slave and mill girl is they both got paid with something, slaves got paid with a half pound of cold bacon and little corn, mill girls got paid money. Slaves did not have work hours, they were told to work as soon as it was light, till it's too dark to see in the fields. 'The working hours of all the girls extended from five o'clock in the morning until seven in the evening, with one halfhour each, for breakfast and dinner.' Slaves did not get to take any breaks, definitely not to eat. There were slaves and mill girls from any age groups. There were children younger than ten years old, but most mill girls were between the age of sixteen and twenty-five. Mill girls only worked from eight to ten months in an year, the rest of the time was spent on family and friends. Slaves had to work all day, everyday and didn't get time to hang with friends or family. If a slave did not do what their masters told them to, they'd get punished by getting whipped or even death, mill girls didn't get that kind of harsh punishment. Slaves and mill girls were similar because they both got made to do work, and they all got treated like animals.
Mill girls got to read and teach others how to read, slaves did not. Most of the work done by mill girls were in factories, and slaves would work in fields and some ladies would work in their masters house. 'Their life in the factory was made pleasant to them.' Mill girls sometimes enjoyed their jobs in factories but slaves hated everything about being a slave. In my opinion mill girls didn't have it such as harsh as slaves did. They did very different work! Mill girls worked around machines and worked in factories, while slaves would work from the fields to the kitchen. If a slave miss behaved they would get whipped, but mill girls would not. Another similarity is that being either a slave or mill girl, either way you would have no power whats so ever.
Kamey Daniels from 165.139.252.252 @ 11:29 am on 04/03/2014
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Lords of the Lash and Lords of the Looms
In the 1800's, their were the mill girls and their was the slaves. They both had something in common and they had things that were uncommon. They both had something special about them was the thing. The slaves had a more harder and more punished kind of lifestyle and the mill girls had work but not as harsh of punishments if they didn't do the task right. The mill girls were hired at a certain age and preferred from a certain place, the slaves were put into work no matter what age group they were at and it didn't matter where they were from. So I believe the mill girls had more of an option to work and the slaves did not. For the mill girls they could walk into business whenever they were ready to start working, but for slaves you were forced into working and labor without an option. The mill girls weren't forced to work they had an option as (for an example) Solomon Northrop did not. 'Solomon Northrop was a free black who was kidnapped in New York and sold into slavery for twelve years.' Another statement is that slaves were separated from their families for the rest of their lives and the mill girls were separated from their families for 14 hours a day. Some slaves had to work all their lives and the mill girls worked eight to ten months in one year. 'Those of the mill girls who had homes generally worked from eight to ten months in the year; the rest of the time was spent with parents or friends.' Slaves would work from sunup to sundown and not get payed enough to live off of. But the mill girls were payed up to $1.00 every week. 'If she worked out as a servant, or help her wages were from 50 cents to $1.00 a week; or, if she went house to house by the day to spin and weave, or do tailoress work, she could get but 75 cents a week and her meals.' One thing that the slaves and the mill girls have in common is they both have hard work they have to manage. Even though the slaves don't get paid hardly anything and the mill girls do, they both have very hard work to do. The slaves have to work a lot longer than the mill girls do. The only reason the mill girls have their jobs is because of the slaves. They couldn't be making clothes out of cotton unless the slaves haven't strived to pick all of the cotton out of the plants. The mill girls could go to their rooms and sleep in a nice dry double bed while the slaves had to sleep in a cold wet barn. The work that the slaves did was much more harsh and stubborn. If they did not do their job right they would have to suffer. 'If it falls short in weight - - if he has not performed the full task appointed to him, he knows that he must suffer.'
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Victoria Wunderlich from 165.139.252.252 @ 11:25 am on 04/03/2014
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Solomon Northup and Harriet Robinson Discussion Board.
Mill girls and slaves aren't that much different from each other. Solomon Northrup was a slave who was captured and taken into slavery. He worked on the Louisiana plantation for twelve years before returning home. Harriet Robinson was mill girl. She worked in a factory with other women. No men. Both Solomon Northrup and Harriet Robinson were put in some form of slavery. Solomon Northrup was captured and put into slavery even though he was born free. Harriet Robinson worked in a factory with many other women for most of her life. They both had many complications. Solomon was trying as hard as he could to explain that he was not a slave. That he was born free but nobody believed him. He had to find a way to prove that he was born free and that he wasn't suppose to be there as a slave. Harriet Robinson had many issues that were sort of similar to Solomon Northrup's. She had to deal with working like a slave in a factory. She worked with other women and ONLY women. Solomon Northrup and Harriet Robinson were both living in a form of slavery. They had limited time for eating or breaks. Sometimes they got little or no food at all. Solomon Northrup worked on a plantation with many other men and women while Harriet Robinson worked with many women. Solomon would always have something different to do. Harriet would be stuck doing pretty much the same exact thing everyday she worked in the factory. Slaves, along with mill girls, start at a young age. Some of the mill girls were only about ten years old but the majority of the age was between sixteen and twenty five. The younger ones of the mill girls were called doffers. With slaves, they can be pretty much any age to be sold and bought. Usually families with younger children get to stay together. But sometimes, that's not the case. If your children are over a certain age, they can be sold separately and never see you again. So, mill girls and slaves aren't that much different from each other. They go through many difficult times in all of their lives. They all just learn to deal with it until there's some way of getting freed.
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Kenzi Burton from 165.139.252.252 @ 11:22 am on 04/03/2014
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After reading the primary sources from a slave and a mill girl, I've found ways to compare and contrast their lives as laborers in the 1800's. I've found many similarities and differences of these two roles.
A difference between these two roles would be that the mill girls actually got paid money for what they did. The slaves did not get paid anything other than food, and a place to sleep. Mill girls got paid a certain amount of money for each item they made.
Another difference I noticed between these two roles was where the mill girls actually had some freedom. Slaves had no freedom whatsoever during their time as a slave. Mill girls, in fact, only worked approximately 8-10 months out of each year. The rest of the time they spent with family and friends. Slaves didn't get to see any friends or family for the rest of their lives most of the time.
Another difference I found between mill girls and slaves were that mill girls actually gained somewhat of an education. Most slaves received no education throughout their lives unless their master taught them which was unlikely. Mill girls received an average education, however. This is known because 'those of the mill girls who have homes generally worked from 8-10 months in the year.... A few taught school during summer months.' If these girls were capable of teaching other human beings, they definitely gained/had an education at some point.
Also, one of the differences that surprised me the most, was that 'their(mill girls) life in the factory was made pleasant to them'. This surprised me because of how different this sounds from the life of a slave. Slaves had the exact opposite during their time as one. Another thing is, slaves couldn't choose whether they wanted to be one or not, they had to live with it. Mill girls had somewhat of a decision. If they were forced to it was because their family needed the money.
A similarity between slave life and mill girl life would be that both had to work long hours. Slaves worked all day at the fields and mill girls worked all day in the factories.
Another similarity I saw between slaves and mill girls is how they both got paid with something. 'Each one (slave) receives, as his weekly allowance, three and a half pounds of bacon, and corn enough to make a peck of meal. That is all- - no tea, coffee, sugar, and with the exception of a very scanty sprinkling now and then, no salt....' Slaves get paid with food, mill girls get paid with money. They both get paid with something however.
Another similarity I found between slaves and mill girls was how they both had to work with cotton. 'The day's work over in the field, the baskets are 'toted,' or in other words, carried to the gin- house, where the cotton is weighed. No matter how fatigued and weary he may be- - no matter how much he longs for sleep and rest- - a slave never approaches the gin- house with his basket of cotton but with fear.' Slaves work in the fields mostly, while mill girls clean the cotton.
These are some of the similarities and differences between the life and labor of a slave vs. a mill girl.
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Kendall Hill from 165.139.252.252 @ 9:51 am on 04/03/2014
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The slaves and the women had to get up early and work. 'The working hours of all the girls extended from five o'clock in the morning to seven o'clock in the evening. They both had to work with Cotten. ' Five 'corporations' were started, and the Cotten mills belonged to them building'
'The baskets are carried to the Cotten house' they where both feed one had to eat cold bacon one had warm food. They both had to sleep in groups but one had a bad to share.
One was free one had to stay where they where told. The women in the mills had to be carful the mushiness in the mills had no safety guards. The slaves where wiped for some time no resin.
The women in the mills could learn to read and rite and go to school. ' a few taught during the summer mouths.' One of the same things that are the same is that both kids and adults had to work. Both of the people where both in not safe places. They both had to leave there home to go and work for some one else. The slaves there kid napped but the women went to go by chose to get money. The slaves did not get padded for there work they did. The women had it better then the slave because they had good food, they where free, and they had a bed to sleep on. They where both in a bad place there was nothing no one help them. There was no safety things on the mushiness. There was slaves that died in the heat. Three was really no people that stood up for the women. The slaves had on one they could trust.
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Larry miller from 165.139.252.252 @ 9:25 am on 04/03/2014
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Discussion board
Solomon Northrup was a slave. He was pulled out from under his feet and sold into slavery. He did not get payed much at all, but most of the time he didn't. Salves were forced to work in harsh conditions like pollution and the scorching hot weather in the summer. During the winter, there was no heat. The air was bitter cold and hey worked in it all day. They were forced to work outside most of the time. It never mattered what season it was or how cold and bitter the air was. They had to work or they would get whipped. Solomon Northrup's plantation wasn't too harsh on him though. His master favored him, because he was smart. He offered his master things to make it easier on himself without his master realizing.
Slaves were treated so much worse than the Lowell mill girls. The girls got to work inside a building where it's out of the wind. Harriet Robinson was treated way better than the slaves. She still had to work in the bitter cold and the scorching hot sun, but it was better than being out there 24/7. Lowell Mill girls woke up at around five o'clock in the morning and could go home at eleven o'clock at night. They worked about eighteen hours a day for little pay. Unlike slaves, the girls were guaranteed a pay for their work. They would get maybe fifty cents a day, three dollars and fifty cents a week. They were able to come back home too. They slave couldn't, they were stuck on a plantation where they were limited on what they could do and think. The Lowell Mill Girls were also aloud to read and write when slaves weren't. They' are not being owned by another person either.
Solomon Northrup and Harriet Robinson had so many differences. Slaves were born and automatically made a slave. The girls had a choice. They could work with cotton, in a factory, they had more choices than a slave ever would have had. Two things they did have in common was that they both made their own clothing and attempted to protest. The slaves would get caught and hurt in some way though, and the girls succeeded. There were slaves that worked inside their masters house, as a house wife, or a 'servant'. The girls wouldn't get whipped either, unlike the slaves. The girls could go home and see their family, sometimes they would work with their families in the factory. The Lowell Mill girls started working around the age of ten and worked for half of their life, maybe more than that. They would not live as long though, as we do, because they have all the pollution in the factories. I don't know which one is worse though, working in the bitter cold with no heat, or working in the hot air without air conditioner.
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Emilee Cregar from 165.139.252.252 @ 12:25 pm on 04/02/2014
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The Lowell girls were from New England. They got the water from Merrimack River. Charles Sumner was a anti-slavery leader from Massachusetts in 1848. The Lowell textile mills where they worked were well known. In 1834, when their bosses decided to cut their wages, the mill girls had enough money that they organized and fought back. The mill girls went on strike to protest. They marched to several mills and tried to get other people to join them.
The bosses and owners were terrified because they've never see anything like it before. But the managers and owners had enough power to stop what the mill girls were doing. A second strike in 1836 happened again because they were trying to cut the mill workers wages AGAIN! This time, they were more organized and ready to go unlike last time so they though they would win this strike. But in the end, the same thing happened as last time. They lost and the bosses and owners won. But the mill girls still weren't gonna give up. In the 1840s, they tried a new way to go on strike. They organized the Lowell Female Labor Reform Association to press for reducing the workday to 10 hours. Women couldn't vote in Massachusetts or anywhere else in the country, but that didn't stop the mill girls. They organized huge petition campaigns. 2,000 signers on an 1845 petition and way more on a petition the next year asking the Massachusetts state legislature to say they would reduce the work day in the mills at 10 hours.
In 1853, they were finally able to work 11 hour days. But after the Civil War, the Lowell girls started to disappear from the labor force.
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Madi StClair from 165.139.252.252 @ 11:49 am on 04/02/2014
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While the mill girls where much more free than the slaves, but they were still thought of just the same. The mill girls were payed, it was much less than the men made, but it was more than any slave could even hope to see. And when the mill girls wanted something to change they could make it happen, if the salves had tried to make changes they would have surely been beat or even killed for being 'disrespectful'. When their wages were cut, the mill girls went on strike, but a slave was thankful for the three pounds of bacon and hand full of corn they got for the week, though the slaves wanted more the did not voice it they just accepted what they had. At the end of the day a mill girl could go home and go to sleep, but a slave would work well into the night, not stopping until it was necessary and even the. They would not go home and rest, they would have the amount of work they had done measured, then they would attend to their Dailey chores, then they go to sleep for no more than maybe two hours and be up in the fields again before sunrise or they would be beaten. If the mill girls didn't get as much done in one day as they we're expected to do, they would just do extra the next day, but if a slave didn't do what was expected of them they would be beaten and sent back for more. The mill girls looked forward to the end of the day and the slaves dreaded it. I think the mill girls took what they had for granted, but still wanted more, while the slaves wanted to be able to get more than two hours of sleep at night. The mill girls also knew that they would always return home at nigh, but the slaves didn't know if they would return, be killed, or be sold to the highest bidder, everyday they had to guess if they would return home later that night. If a mill girl wanted to quite their job, they could, but of a slave even tried, they were beat and sometimes killed or sold. In my opinion the mill girls were treated much better than the soaves but were still put down by society for being women in the workforce.
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Mike Kessinger from 165.139.252.252 @ 11:41 am on 04/02/2014
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Both the slaves and the mill girls were basically the same. They were both hard working people who did it for very little. They both basically had no rights also in this world. The white men basically controlled both of their worlds, and they couldn't do anything about it to prevent it. They basically had to wait for their freedom to in this world of the white men.
Both people who come from very different backgrounds are still the same. Slaves and Mill Girls were both told when to come to work and when to stop the day at work. The girls had to start at five in the morning.'The working hours of all the girls extended from five o'clock in the morning until seven in the evening'(Page 1 Paragraph 5). While the slaves woke up at the crack of dawn and working till the end of the day. 'The hands are required to be in the field as soon as it is light out, and they need to be idle until it should be to dark to see' (Page 1 Paragraph 1). Another similar is they are both under control of the same person. The Mill Girls would be told when to have their brake(Paragraph 1). Solomon Northrop when he was a slave he would be told when to eat, and when to wake up in the morning to start picking cotton. Both of these types of people had to work hard, with barely any privacy. It was hard for both of these hardworking people. They had barely any food, and any sleep.
While the mill girls would get paid the slaves wouldn't get paid at all. Slaves had it harder than the Mill girls because the slaves would get beat for no reason. Some mill girls would have only have to work for 15 minutes every hour while the slaves would work nonstop from sun up to sun down. Another difference between these are the mill girls would have a set breakfast for them every morning when they would wake up, and while the slaves only had for say grits. The slaves would barely get enough to eat that sometimes the slaves would pass out while in the heat picking cotton. The mill girls would actually have work stations of people while the slaves had to every single hard working jobs for their self.
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Canaan Stanley from 165.139.252.252 @ 11:37 am on 04/02/2014
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The Lowell mill girl and women were workers for the textile company's. Most of them worked in Massachusetts. They worked durning the industrial revolution in the US. Older Lowell mill women weren't called any certain name butt he young Lowell mill girls were called doffers. If you were older girl you worked on the loom. If you were a younger girl you replaces bobbins. They were feed fairly well everyday. Three times a day. There bedrooms were shared usually with more than 4 girls. They couldn't sleep alone so they shared a bed with someone else, although they were real beds. They were also paid for there jobs.
African Americans were kidnaped from Africa and sent to American to be auctioned off to slave owners. They did field work, house work, and building. Most of the time they were not feed well depending on how valuable you were. The healthier, stronger ones were kept healthy and stronger for harder work. Women in the house cleaned, cooked, and took care of the kids if they had any. If the master wanted to have kids with the women slave in the house, she was to have kids with him. If any of the African American slaves did not listen, do, and say as they were told they could be whipped, branded, cut, or even killed. They were not paid for the jobs they did.
Gia lowery from 165.139.252.252 @ 11:09 am on 04/02/2014
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If you really think about it he life of a slave and a mill girl are very different. The are so very different. A slave had to work from sun up to sun down and even into the night. A mill girl only worked 11-12 hours a day. Slaves were given cold bacon and a little corn and had little to no time to eat it. Mill girls had 30 minutes to go get and eat a warm meal. The slaves slept on very uncomfortable beds sometimes without pillows and other things we use to sleep with now days. The mill girls had nice warm beds to sleep in. The mill girls had nice little houses to live in. The slaves had poorly constructed hut to sleep in. The mill girls sometimes were allowed to go outside and play. They were also paid 2 dollars for working. He slaves got paid NOTHING. The mill girls weren't yelled at constantly like the slaves were. They also had some similarities. They both worked hard jobs and sometimes were injured in the process. The slaves were sometimes killed though. The mill girls weren't killed but thy did get injured by working the looms. The slaves had no rights like women. They also worked together almost. The slaves harvested the cotton and shipped it to e looms where the mill girls made it into products. So I thought that was wired how both of them kinda of worked together. The mill girls could also kinda thank the slaves. I say that is because the mill girls would have no cotton for the factories or small amounts of cotton if there were no slaves. Not all mill girls got to go outside to play but some did. The mill girls could get more rest than the slaves because the slaves worked almost 24 hours a day. The mill girls could get some rest because they only worked 11-12 hours a day. Some of the mill girls did work 14 or more hours a day but that doesn't compare to what the slaves did. I feel like the slaves had to work faster and harder than the mill girls because if they didn't they would hade some type of horrible consequence like whipping, and the mill girls probably would of hade a punishment for not doing their jobs as efficiently but nothing like whipping. Th mill girls and solves also had similar consequences like if a slave ran away they would have their Achilles cut or something of that nature and the mill girls could lose fingers or more while working the looms. Either way they both had some pretty gruesome consequences. I'm not sure which I would wether have losing a limb or getting your Achilles cut. They both are horrible. I don't either. Either way both of them had no power. The men called all the shots. Men ran the looms and the plantations. The slaves that were men had no power obviously because they were thought of as animals. The slaves sometimes were given jobs to be an overseer of the other slaves to keep them in check the the slave master didn't have to. Either way both sides were mistreated in some way. They both have similarities and differences. I think that the slaves had it harder than the mill girls. Word count: 564
Ryan Watkins from 165.139.252.252 @ 10:08 am on 04/02/2014
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Lords of the lash and Lords of the loom
Mill girls and slaves are similar and different depending on how you compare them. On one hand you have the slaves, barley kept alive by their hopes of freedom because 'The hands are required to be in the fields as soon as it is light in the morning, and, with the exception of ten or fifteen minutes, which is given to them at noon to swallow their allowance of cold bacon.' On the other hand you have the mill girls, usually they work 11-12 hour shifts but are fed well and given a small but nice place to stay. While the mill girls are given reasonable bedding and food the slaves slept on hard wood beds with no mattress and sometimes no pillows. Plus 'Each one receives, as his weekly allowance, three and a half pounds of bacon, and corn, which makes a peck of a meal.' Another difference is work ethic, slaves are forced to work for their lives while the girls have to work to keep their jobs but do not get whipped of they slack off. Although there are many differences between these laborers there are some similarities. One being that they are both working together, this is where we get the term the Lords of the Lash and the Lords of the Loom, the lash being the southerners slaves and the mill girls being at the loom. These two work together by the slaves producing cotton to sell to the mill girls to make clothes, blankets, etc. Mill girls often made money to send there brothers to school, 'There are many men living now who were helped to an education by the wages of the early mill girls.' This goes to show that guys don't do everything. Especially when the sister is paying for her brothers education. Also a similarity between these workers is that they both are treated unfairly. Slaves had no rights just like women. They both cannot inherit there fathers land and they can't vote. The men call all, the shots and could have total control. They can even decide to not give their daughter her share of land if she gets married! 'A father could make his will without reference to his daughters share of the inheritance.' So as you can see there are many similarities and differences between these two great labor forces that helped to build America.
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Jacob Batchelor from 165.139.252.252 @ 10:46 am on 04/01/2014
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Lords of the lash and Lords of the loom
Mill girls and slaves are similar and different depending on how you compare them. On one hand you have the slaves, barley kept alive by their hopes of freedom because 'The hands are required to be in the fields as soon as it is light in the morning, and, with the exception of ten or fifteen minutes, which is given to them at noon to swallow their allowance of cold bacon.' On the other hand you have the mill girls, usually they work 11-12 hour shifts but are fed well and given a small but nice place to stay. While the mill girls are given reasonable bedding and food the slaves slept on hard wood beds with no mattress and sometimes no pillows. Plus 'Each one receives, as his weekly allowance, three and a half pounds of bacon, and corn, which makes a peck of a meal.' Another difference is work ethic, slaves are forced to work for their lives while the girls have to work to keep their jobs but do not get whipped of they slack off. Although there are many differences between these laborers there are some similarities. One being that they are both working together, this is where we get the term the Lords of the Lash and the Lords of the Loom, the lash being the southerners slaves and the mill girls being at the loom. These two work together by the slaves producing cotton to sell to the mill girls to make clothes, blankets, etc. Mill girls often made money to send there brothers to school, 'There are many men living now who were helped to an education by the wages of the early mill girls.' This goes to show that guys don't do everything. Especially when the sister is paying for her brothers education. Also a similarity between these workers is that they both are treated unfairly. Slaves had no rights just like women. They both cannot inherit there fathers land and they can't vote. The men call all, the shots and could have total control. They can even decide to not give their daughter her share of land if she gets married! 'A father could make his will without reference to his daughters share of the inheritance.' So as you can see there are many similarities and differences between these two great labor forces that helped to build America.
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Jacob Batchelor from 165.139.252.252 @ 10:44 am on 04/01/2014
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Lords of the Lash and Lords of the Loom
Comparing and Contrasting.
Their is a lot of things different for Lowell Mill Girls and African American slaves and their is not as many that are the same.
Lowell Mill girls were female workers who came to work for the textile corporations in Lowell, Massachusetts, during the Industrial Revolution in the United States. If you were a young Lowell Mill girl you were called a doffer, doffer's job was to replace bobbins. If you were a older Lowell Mill girl you were to tend the looms. Lowell Mill girls had a real bed and a bedroom, you would usually share a room with 4-6 girls and share a bed with one other girl. Lowell Mill girls had three meals a day.
African American slaves were African Americans that were kidnapped from Africa forced to work in the United States in the 18th and 19th centuries. Slavery was really bad in the South. Slaves were not treated very well most slaves did not have a bed they usually had to sleep on the ground in the barn. Most slaves only had one meal a day. Some slaves tried running away, some were lucky and ran to the north others weren't lucky they were captured and whipped, branded, had their ear cut off, or half of there foot.
Some things that are different are Lowell Mill girls actually get paid and slaves do not get paid the only thing they get really for working is food. Lowell Mill girls get treated a lot better then slaves. Lowell Mill girls get actual beds to sleep on, Lowell girls had more then one outfit. they get 3 meals a day and Lowell Mill girls were certainly not abused or beaten! Slaves were not treated very well compared to Lowell Mill girls. Most slaves had to sleep in the barn on the floor, slaves only had one outfit and that was the clothes they wore every single day. Usually some slaves had only one meal a day which was dinner.
Some things that are the same are slaves and Lowell girls had to work for a very long time from the morning to the night. Lowell Mill girls and slaves didn't have much privacy, also they both didn't have much freedom.
Sharlie McNiel
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April 1, 2014
Period 5
Sharlie McNiel from 165.139.252.252 @ 10:28 am on 04/01/2014
RE: discussion board
Slaves and Lowell Girls are somewhat in the same, but they also differ. Slaves are remembered in history as oppressed individuals who were over worked, abused, and the fuel for the Souths past economy boost. The slaves seemed to be nothing but a mule, meant for labor and not to be treated as humans by their masters. Slaves were of the lowest rank in society. Lowell girls are remembered as women who worked hard, but because of working in the mills they were thought to be (subjected to influences that might destroy her purity and self respect- HARRIET JACOBS Mill Girl). Not many people in England & France thought women working in mills was a good thing they actually opposed it, instead they thought a woman's place was doing of traditional jobs of the household. Being a Mill Girl was one of the (lowest employments of women- HARRIET JACOBS MILL GIRL).' Mill girls are known to work in the factories because the family was in need of money. Mill girls and slaves share some things ing common. One being both of them were being provided a place to stay at where you could eat and sleep. They both had lunch breaks (ten or fifteen minutes, which is given to them at noon to swallow their allowance of cold bacon- Twelve Years a Slave: Narrative of Solomon Northrup). Both slaves and some mill girls were looked down upon by their oppressors that were generally male. Also mill girls and slaves both had to wake up very early to get ready for their work (an hour before day light the horn is blown. Then the slaves , arouse preparing breakfast fill guard with water,in another deposit their dinner of cold back and corn cake, and hurry to the field again. - Twelve Years a Slave: Narratives of Solomon Northrup) The biggest thing the mill girls and slaves have in common is that both work in some way was in dealing with cotton just in different forms. Slaves dealt with picking and cleaning the cotton , while mill girls dealt with taking the cotton and making the cotton into clothing and yarn. Both a designated person to watch over the workers to make sure the workers in line and doing the work. Slaves had an overseer and mill girls had a mistress. Both slaves and mill girls were not supposed to read.There are extreme differences between the slaves and mill girls as well. One is mills girls had a choice to go to work, though their family may need the money, the girls had the option to select different work. Slaves on the other hand do not have the option to not do the work or in what type of work they do. The slaves' master decided what work and would punish the slave brutally if he/she decided not to. Slaves had to make there own meals while mill girls had their food prepared by a mistress. A majority of slaves worked outside while mill girls work in a building. Though slaves and. I'll girls were low in the caste system, the mill girls had a higher status in society than the slaves. A major difference between mill girls and slaves is that slaves could be killed without and remorse, while mill girls couldn't. I think that being a slaves or a mill girl is one have the hardest things , and is personally something I couldn't bare. Both slaves and mill girls will forever be remembered and respected through history. I respect them both.
Breeona Watters
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Breeona Watters from 165.139.252.252 @ 3:10 pm on 03/31/2014
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I think that Solomon Northrup had it the worst because he was considered a free man, and at slanted one at that. The fact that he was kidnapped, by a man who had offered him a large amount of money to play his fiddle and provide for his family, and taken as a slave for 12 years with no good food. The Lowell mill girls got payed at the least they had the chance to get daily meals and they could quit if they wanted to but the slaves had to be bought and freed. They got very crappy meals too.
I know that the Lowell mill girls at least ate decent and had money. Slaves did hard hard un payed labor and got, whipped sometimes especially Solomon, he was smart and some of the slave masters liked him but he got whipped like any other slave would. Solomon was experienced more levels of racism and discrimination than people do today. The Lowell mill girls did not get whipped or threatened to get whipped they just worked and worked and worked for pay, but in slave camps the thought or mentioning of the word payment did not exist in the atmosphere there or in any slave plantation and camps.
Another thing the Lowell mill girls had freedom to have a family, eat whenever they felt like it but slaves got to eat only once a week. That's four or five days each month and there are twelve months in a year. The lives of slaves and the Lowell mill girls are not even close to similar the slaves were constantly put down, called 'niggers', and got whipped, it was very traumatic I assume, knowing that everyday they have a chance of escaping and being free by running away but an even greater chance of getting caught trying to and getting tortured or killed. I am sure that Solomon Northrup had a bad time sleeping at night. I sure would.
Lowell mill girls had it rough too being underclass citizens getting payed less than what the men made getting harassed, they had it bad but not as bad as slaves. Slaves went through physical and mental changes. Some lost weight and died, some committed suicide, some had mental breakdowns, stress was a major thing in slavery.
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Jordan Hicks from 165.139.252.252 @ 12:10 pm on 03/31/2014
Lords of the Lash and Lords of the Loom
'Lords of the Lash and Lords of the Loom'
Olivia Mikel
Solomon Northrop was born a free man, but then kidnapped and for twelve years was tortured to be a 'Lord of the Lash' meaning he was tortured by the whip, otherwise the fear of being whipped that caused the slaves to think twice about running away. Or in this case making Solomon unsure about running back to New York to become a free man once again. Harriet Jacobs was a girl sent to work in the factories tortured to be a 'Lord of the Loom' to help pay for her family's poor income. The fear in her story being the harsh working conditions the girls had to work in, and the fear of not being able to help her family. They both have a story while similar, they are very different.
Solomon states in his 'Twelve Years as a Slave' excerpt that slaves have all around the year chores, such as; planting, ploughing, cotton picking, corn gathering, wood gathering, wood chopping, etc. He describes them as 'Work all Seasons.' Unlike Harriet who had summers free, so she could visit her family. Which indicates that the gov't gives White Woman special 'privileges'. Also proved my Mr.Pax the other day in our note-packets, saying that at the top of the chart there is [white] men, then woman, then foreigners, then at the bottom The Blacks. Tell me if I'm wrong, but if Solomon could visit his family in the summer, I don't think he would have spent '12 years as a slave.' But that's just my opinion.
Secondly, Solomon states in his excerpt that he has 'A weekly allowance of 3 1/2 lbs. of bacon, and just enough corn to make a peck of meal.' This does confuse me though, I guess Slave owners wanted their slaves strong enough to do chores, but not strong enough to rebel. Maybe they also did this to Lowell girls, just strong enough to do the work part. As also proved by Mr. Pax, it is stated that to every dollar a man makes, a woman makes 40ยข.
Harriet states that some of the Lowell girls held strikes. Obviously Solomon and other slaves couldn't do that, right? Well maybe they could..... Depending on the size of a slave group maybe they could've, if they're was only one whip...maybe they can whip all of the slaves at once.....or maybe not.... Just something to think of.
But as different as they're takes May be, they have a lot in common. In the Lowell Mill Girls Video it says that The Girls had to follow Christianity, had to do 'Grueling and Demanding work.', there were overseers, close bonds with other workers, they're were four to a room, so little to no privacy, and lastly they had to wake up early in the morning and went to bed late. This is all in common with the slaves.
As you can see, strikes, whips, poor allowances, working all seasons, and hard work, rough conditions, no privacy, close bonds. Harriet Jacobs and Solomon Northrop have a story while similar, very different.
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Olivia Mikel from 165.139.252.252 @ 10:51 am on 03/31/2014
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Slaves and Lowell Girls are somewhat in the same, but they also differ. Slaves are remembered in history as oppressed individuals who were over worked, abused, and the fuel for the Souths past economy boost. The slaves seemed to be nothing but a mule, meant for labor and not to be treated as humans by their masters. Slaves were of the lowest rank in society. Lowell girls are remembered as women who worked hard, but because of working in the mills they were thought to be (subjected to influences that might destroy her purity and self respect- HARRIET JACOBS Mill Girl). Not many people in England & France thought women working in mills was a good thing they actually opposed it, instead they thought a woman's place was doing of traditional jobs of the household. Being a Mill Girl was one of the (lowest employments of women- HARRIET JACOBS MILL GIRL).' Mill girls are known to work in the factories because the family was in need of money. Mill girls and slaves share some things ing common. One being both of them were being provided a place to stay at where you could eat and sleep. They both had lunch breaks (ten or fifteen minutes, which is given to them at noon to swallow their allowance of cold bacon- Twelve Years a Slave: Narrative of Solomon Northrup). Both slaves and some mill girls were looked down upon by their oppressors that were generally male. Also mill girls and slaves both had to wake up very early to get ready for their work (an hour before day light the horn is blown. Then the slaves , arouse preparing breakfast fill guard with water,in another deposit their dinner of cold back and corn cake, and hurry to the field again. - Twelve Years a Slave: Narratives of Solomon Northrup) The biggest thing the mill girls and slaves have in common is that both work in some way was in dealing with cotton just in different forms. Slaves dealt with picking and cleaning the cotton , while mill girls dealt with taking the cotton and making the cotton into clothing and yarn. Both a designated person to watch over the workers to make sure the workers in line and doing the work. Slaves had an overseer and mill girls had a mistress. Both slaves and mill girls were not supposed to read.There are extreme differences between the slaves and mill girls as well. One is mills girls had a choice to go to work, though their family may need the money, the girls had the option to select different work. Slaves on the other hand do not have the option to not do the work or in what type of work they do. The slaves' master decided what work and would punish the slave brutally if he/she decided not to. Slaves had to make there own meals while mill girls had their food prepared by a mistress. A majority of slaves worked outside while mill girls work in a building. Though slaves and. I'll girls were low in the caste system, the mill girls had a higher status in society than the slaves. A major difference between mill girls and slaves is that slaves could be killed without and remorse, while mill girls couldn't. I think that being a slaves or a mill girl is one have the hardest things , and is personally something I couldn't bare. Both slaves and mill girls will forever be remembered and respected through history. I respect them both.
Breeona Watters
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Breeona Watters from 165.139.252.252 @ 10:06 am on 03/31/2014
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The lives of the mill girls compared to the common slave were more different than similar. The two different work forces proofed to be hard working. The only problem was their motivation. Slaves were motivated by fear and awful punishments. The mill girls weren't forced to do anything. The mill girls and the slaves both had sleeping quarters that were given to them by the bosses or master. Their jobs were in a way intertwined the slaves would harvest the cotton that would then be taken to the mills for processing. Their was a conscience for both if a slave ran I could have physical damage such as hobbling, but for the girls it was losing a limb by accident in the machine. Most slaves were treated poor like getting up early and sleeping way to late but that was kinda like the mill girls who were worked for 12-11 hr shifts then sleep.Your slave hands are required to be in the cotton field as soon as it is light in the morning, and, with the exception of ten or fifteen minutes, which is given them at noon to swallow their allowance of cold bacon, they are not permitted to be a moment idle until it is too dark to see, and when the moon is full, they often times labor till the middle of the night .In a way the did have a lot of the same problems or arrangements. The May have had things I common but they had a lot of differences one of which was women or girls were paid. Slaves didn't make money they were forced. Girls weren't paid as well as guys but at least they weren't slaves. Slaves had whipping to keep them in line the girls didn't. Another difference was if slaves revolted or went on strike they would most likely be killed or severely punished by the whip. Girls that strike often failed women didn't get their true fairness in the factory they didn't get the wages they wanted when they were cut but instead they just went back to their job due to their families needing the money. Most mill girls had growing bonds with their fellow workers when sent back to their quarters. Many slaves had developed bonds with each other thought the heart ship of their people they learned to survive the struggles man put in their was through religious belief. I'm sure that the girls or women did the same when the felt that they weren't treated fair. Most women were probably to afraid to speak up. That was also common with most slaves. All of which figured something could result in something upsetting wether it be whipping or lowered wages. I think that the two work forces in a way weren't that far away from one another at all.
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Jacob miller from 165.139.252.252 @ 11:42 am on 03/27/2014