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<< Mr. Pax - 8th Grade Pathfinder Social Studies's Discussions
'Lords of the Lash and Lords of the Loom' (Periods 8 & 9 ONLY)
1. Read the excerpts from Solomon Northrup (slave) and Harriet Robinson (mill girl).
2. Answer the prompt below.
3. Your response needs to be a minimum of 350 words. 
Please include the word count at the end of your post.
4. Due April 4th no matter if you are leaving early for Spring Break or not.

Prompt:
After reading the primary sources from a slave and a mill girl, compare and contrast their lives as laborers in the 1800s. What did they have in common and what was different? Provide 2 specific pieces of evidence from EACH of the primary sources. (4 total)

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The lives of a mill girl and a slave were very similar but at the same time somewhat different. At this time in society women a practically no right they could not own a business with out a man and they could not vote. They could be left out of there fathers will without a second thought. There was a mill in Lowell, Massachusetts where a lot of young girls between the ages of 14 and 25 worked. These girls worked from five o'clock am to seven o'clock pm. They only got two breaks a day and those were each about an half an hour long. They used these breaks to eat breakfast and dinner. As a mill girl you wages would range from 50 cents to $1.00 depending on what you did in the mill. 'The most Prevailing incentive to labor was to secure the means of education for some male member of the family.'(Boston: Writer & Potter, 1883). Some of the better mill girls would give all of their wages for the month so a male could get an education. Granted the mill girls were not owned like a slave but there were treated like ones. Harriet Robinson was a mill girl that started work at the mill when she was 10 in1834 till when she was 24 in 1848.
Solomon Northrop was a free black man in the state of New York. He was tricked and captured to be sold as a slave. Solomon was born into freedom so he had never been a slave. A slave works from sun up to sun down or when he can see to when he can't. Sometimes when the moon was full they would not head in until early hours in the morning. Slaves were owned by white men. Slaves had literally no rights. Most of the time they were considered animals that had a lower thought process.
In the end mill girl and slaves had a lot in common. Neither had real rights. They both were treated terribly. Granted slaves were owned and mill girl were not it doesn't mean the weren't treated the same.
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Mady Alley from 165.139.252.252 @ 11:46 am on 04/14/2014
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Cotton production was taking to long so a man invited a new machine to speed up the process of making cotton. After the invention the making of cotton speed up drastically. A average slave could only do a pound a day now with the cotton gin a slave could 50 pounds a day. Before the invention slavery was going down and after the invention slavery went up again.
Solomon Northrup was a free man who lived in peace. Until he was kidnapped and taking back into slavery where he didn't belong. He vanished with out a trace causing everyone to wonder where he had gone. While Solomon was on the plantation he was picked for picking cotton he was also a carpenter. But he spent his days picking cotton and taking it to get weighed . He did this until January where cotton season stopped.
Harriet Robinson worked in the mill from 1832-1848. The mill girls that work at the mill differed in age some weren't even 10 years. The young girls where called 'doffers' they took off and put bobbins on the spinngingwheel.
Solomon and Harriet are the same person just in different forms of people. They both wanted freedom and they would fish anything for it. Harriet lived in a attic for 7 years just to have her freedom. The box was 5 ft tall and very compacted little area. Solomon was already free from the day he was born. He was kidnapped and never gave up on the fact that he was a free man. Solomon got punished multiple times for running away and saying he was a free man but the new slave owners never would believe that he was free.
Solomon and Harriet both had children that they both wanted to see. Harriet waited for 7 years and Solomon waited 12 years to see the and his family. Harriet's family new where she was but didn't say anything to her or anything about. Solomon's family never got to say where he was when he got captured. His family had no clue where he was. Harriet and Solomon where the same person just in different forms 360
Alex Davis from 165.139.252.252 @ 9:45 am on 04/14/2014
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In the 1800's there were two stories written about two different but similar lives. There was a slave narrative written in the year 1853. This story was about a free man who was captured and turned into a slave for 12 years before being set free again. This man went by the name Solomon Northrup. The author wrote about the many hardships slaves dealt with. Another story also wrote about the hardships of a different type of slave. Not a type slave that you would normally think of when you think about slavery. This was a slave to society. The mill girls. In the year 1832, Lowell was a little more than a factory village. How were the Lowell girls slaves? The Lowell girls were paid as low as 1/3 what the men who worked the same exact jobs, for the same amount of hours. The Lowell girls also had to work from sun-up to sun-down like slaves.
However, unlike black slaves, the Lowell girls had somewhat nice living quarters. There were six girls to a room. They had to sleep three to a bed. They were also fed well, in order to keep up their strength. This was also another difference between the Lowell girls, and the slaves. In the eyes of slave holders the slaves were animals. Therefore the slave owners didn't really care if the slaves died. This gave the slave owners no initiative to feed the slaves nice food, or even much food at all. Some corn bread and water was about all the food they received when they got food. They were thankful when they caught and killed a small rodent. This was like Christmas to the slaves.
Another difference between the Lowell girls and slaves was the age group. The Lowell girls were anywhere from age 16-24. This was the 'prime' age forewomen to work in the factories. This was the age where their fingers were most nimble, and they could stand in one spot for many hours at a time. Where as, the slaves were used anywhere from age 6, as nurse maids for children. Too age 75 as house maids.
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Bronwyn Getts from 165.139.252.252 @ 2:28 pm on 04/04/2014
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In the 1800's there were two stories written about two different but similar lives. There was a slave narrative written in the year 1853. This story was about a free man who was captured and turned into a slave for 12 years before being set free again. This man went by the name Solomon Northrup. The author wrote about the many hardships slaves dealt with. Another story also wrote about the hardships of a different type of slave. Not a type slave that you would normally think of when you think about slavery. This was a slave to society. The mill girls. In the year 1832, Lowell was a little more than a factory village. How were the Lowell girls slaves? The Lowell girls were paid as low as 1/3 what the men who worked the same exact jobs, for the same amount of hours. The Lowell girls also had to work from sun-up to sun-down like slaves.
However, unlike black slaves, the Lowell girls had somewhat nice living quarters. There were six girls to a room. They had to sleep three to a bed. They were also fed well, in order to keep up their strength. This was also another difference between the Lowell girls, and the slaves. In the eyes of slave holders the slaves were animals. Therefore the slave owners didn't really care if the slaves died. This gave the slave owners no initiative to feed the slaves nice food, or even much food at all. Some corn bread and water was about all the food they received when they got food. They were thankful when they caught and killed a small rodent. This was like Christmas to the slaves.
Another difference between the Lowell girls and slaves was the age group. The Lowell girls were anywhere from age 16-24. This was the 'prime' age forewomen to work in the factories. This was the age where their fingers were most nimble, and they could stand in one spot for many hours at a time. Where as, the slaves were used anywhere from age 6, as nurse maids for children. Too age 75 as house maids.
Bronwyn Getts from 165.139.252.252 @ 2:27 pm on 04/04/2014
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During the time period of the 19th century, slaves and factory workers had differences and similarities. Such as their living conditions and their work requirements. Their is also many differences. One of the differences is that the work hours for slaves and the factory workers is that the slaves worked for sometime between sun up to sun down. While the factory workers worked between 10 and 11.5 hours. The factory worker also have the ability to go on a strike to gain, or should I say reduce, hours that are required per day for five to six days a week. Slaves however must work or they are punished with whippings, brandings, and other types of torture. Sometimes the slaves are killed for trying to escape. The factory workers have a choice to work or to leave freely. Few of the similarities is that neither could learn how to read and write. Yet some of both, more likely the factory workers that were female, did learn how to read. Very few slaves learned how to read though. The factory workers however had poor living conditions. Some of them though actually lived in nice conditions. Slaves could possibly have worse living conditions than than the slums that factory workers had. Solomon Northrop had very good fortune that he ran into many friend that he could trust. The factory workers had many things to actually enjoy, more than the slaves did. Those people had some days off, that had worked for 5-6 days a week so they could enjoy the city life. Slaves could only enjoy large parties that the slave master would throw, the slave master wouldn't literally throw it, and the slave could eat well for awhile if they didn't already eat well. The factory workers had their own stove to cook their own food and eat together. The factory workers and slaves had to live together in a large number. For the factory workers, the number of people would be somewhere between 7-12. For slaves the number is possibly higher than that of the workers. However the living conditions of the slaves were sometime worse.
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Nathan Phan from 165.139.252.252 @ 2:11 pm on 04/04/2014
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A slave's or mill girl's life weren't very different when it comes to working. Though the work is different, slaves were put to work against their will and sometimes that's the case of a mill girl. For example, the woman or child's family could be low on money and is struggling to keep up. Working at the mill doesn't compare to how awful it was in slavery, but it was still very dangerous. Slaves weren't paid a salary. Back then woman had no rights. 'Her wages were from 50 cents to a dollar a week; or, if she went house to house by the day to spin a weave or do tailoress work she could get 75 cents a week'(Harriet Robinson). For every one dollar a man made, a woman made 40 cents even with the work they put in for the eight to ten months a year. 'Those of the millgirls who had homes generally worked from eight to ten months out of the year' (Harriet Robinson)
The doffer mill girls worked sometime out of each hour then had time of their own for the fourteen hours they worked each day of the week. On the other hand, slaves had to work what their masters told them and no less or there was consequences. 'They often times labor to the middle of the night. They do not dare to stop even at dinner time, nor return to quarters, however late it be, until the halt is given by the driver.'(Solomon Northrup) Both the mill girl and slave had expectations and priorities to the things they had to get done. each of them need a certain amount of work done by the end of the day. For slaves it was Colton. After the cotton gin was invented slavery expanded and spread immensely . 'The days work over in the field, the baskets are 'toted' or in other words carried to the gin house, where the cotton is weighed'(Solomon Northrup) The masters didn't care how tired or weary you were. You had to get your work done and had to be the right weight.
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Katelynn Crabtree from 165.139.252.252 @ 1:48 pm on 04/04/2014
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The life of the girls that worked at the Lowell Mill, and the life of a slave in the state of Louisiana were different but also similar at the same time. One of the first things that is important to see, is that they heavily depended on one another's service. Without the slaves producing cotton, the mills wouldn't have anything to create cloth from, and visa versa with the mills and the slaves.
Though they needed each other, they both had very different lives. The women had the choose of being there or not, I mean some had to be there for the support of their families, but they were not held there and forced to work and gets slashes for everything they did wrong. But they still got punished. 'In the eyes of her overseer she was but a brute, a slave to be beaten, pinched and pushed about.' In the quote, it says 'a slave to be beaten,' but they did not have it as hard as the slaves in the south did,'After weighing, follow the whippings;...'. This is just an exaggeration, but it doesn't leave my mind for a second not to think that the girls and women of the mills still got 'beat' around, not as aggressively as a slave master would have beat his slaves, but still they were most likely harmed. But through all this they still worked, and some of the women worked their tails off, just to give their wages to someone else. 'I have known more than one to give every cent of her wages, mouth after mouth, to her brother, that he might get the education necessary to enter some profession.' This brings up a major difference between the girls of the mill and the slaves, the girls got paid, not that it was much, but it was more than the slaves got. If they had a decent master, they ate, 'All that is allowed them is corn and bacon, which is given out at the corncrib and smoke- house every Sunday morning. Each one receives, as his weekly allowance, three and a half pounds of bacon, and corn enough to make a peck of meal.'.
One of the things that is similar of the slaves and the mill girls, is that they work from early morning to late at night. Then again, slaves have it worse than the girls do in this category also. 'The hands are required to be in the field as soon as it is light in the morning, with the exception of ten or fifteen minutes, which is given to them at noon to sallow their allowance of cold bacon.' This is similar to the mill girls 'The working hours of all the girls extended from five o'clock in the morning until seven in the evening with one halfhour (half hour) each, for breakfast and dinner.' This is how they are the same. Word count:483
Gracie steele from 165.139.252.252 @ 1:48 pm on 04/04/2014
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In the United States in this time period, Slavery was one of the two largest work forces present. With the exception of a lunch break at noon, slaves labored all through the day and often late into the nigh picking cotton from the fields. Other tasks would include ploughing and planting. Thy were fed scarce meals of corn and cold bacon, with no salt, sugar, or spices. While slavery was important to industry in the south, it was usually a cruel environment. If slaves did not meet the weight requirement of cotton in heir basket each night, they were whipped. 'No matter how fatigued and weary he may be--no matter how much he longs for sleep and rest--a slave never approaches the gin-house with his basket of cotton but with fear.' They spend the entire day picking, not a moment for idle behavior. After they retreat from the fields, they must tend to other chores as well, like caring for livestock. 'Each one must then attend his respective chores.' None would chose the life of a slave, but it was unavoidable. Most were born into it, but some had been born free and captured to be sold into slavery. Solomon Northrop was a free man captured and made a slave for 12 years, living on a cruel plantation. He later wrote about his appealing experiences.
The second of the 2 largest working forces was in the factory. Harriet Robinson was very educate on factory life, because she was a part of it. Girls from 16-25 would work long hours in the factory. 'Some were not even ten years old.' Girls as young as 10 also would work, for a low wage. They were a abused in the factory, with pinching and pushing, and though they were not obligated by any law to stay, they simply had to so they could support their families with an income. They would work hours that surpassed legal working limits, especially for their young age. When the factories released a lower wage, they went on strike. The girls went until they could lie useless no longer and gave in. The strike failed, and they succumbed to the lower wages in he factory.
These two work forces have both similarities and differences. Both, in a sense, enslave you. You are as much a slave in the field as you are in a factory because on the factory, even though working isn't mandatory, you must work for money to survive. You are a slave to the need to survive. Therefore, both forces deem you a slave. 'In the eyes of the overseer the was but a brute, a slave, to be beaten, pinched, and pushed around. But, a difference in the two is that you are rewarded for your work in the factory. As a slave in the south, you are not rewarded for your labor, and if you fall short of expectations, your whipped or sold. This makes for a very distinct difference between the two largest work forces of that time.
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Mallory winger from 165.139.252.252 @ 1:44 pm on 04/04/2014
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The life of the girls that worked at the Lowell Mill, and the life of a slave in the state of Louisiana were different but also similar at the same time. One of the first things that is important to see, is that they heavily depended on one another's service. Without the slaves producing cotton, the mills wouldn't have anything to create cloth from, and visa versa with the mills and the slaves.
Though they needed each other, they both had very different lives. The women had the choose of being there or not, I mean some had to be there for the support of their families, but they were not held there and forced to work and gets slashes for everything they did wrong. But they still got punished. 'In the eyes of her overseer she was but a brute, a slave to be beaten, pinched and pushed about.' In the quote, it says 'a slave to be beaten,' but they did not have it as hard as the slaves in the south did,'After weighing, follow the whippings;...'. This is just an exaggeration, but it doesn't leave my mind for a second not to think that the girls and women of the mills still got 'beat' around, not as aggressively as a slave master would have beat his slaves, but still they were most likely harmed. But through all this they still worked, and some of the women worked their tails off, just to give their wages to someone else. 'I have known more than one to give every cent of her wages, mouth after mouth, to her brother, that he might get the education necessary to enter some profession.' This brings up a major difference between the girls of the mill and the slaves, the girls got paid, not that it was much, but it was more than the slaves got. If they had a decent master, they ate, 'All that is allowed them is corn and bacon, which is given out at the corncrib and smoke- house every Sunday morning. Each one receives, as his weekly allowance, three and a half pounds of bacon, and corn enough to make a peck of meal.'.
One of the things that is similar of the slaves and the mill girls, is that they work from early morning to late at night. Then again, slaves have it worse than the girls do in this category also. 'The hands are required to be in the field as soon as it is light in the morning, with the exception of ten or fifteen minutes, which is given to them at noon to sallow their allowance of cold bacon.' This is similar to the mill girls 'The working hours of all the girls extended from five o'clock in the morning until seven in the evening with one halfhour (half hour) each, for breakfast and dinner.' This is how they are the same.
Gracie Steele from 165.139.252.252 @ 1:41 pm on 04/04/2014
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Solomon Northrup, as a slave, and Harriet Robinson, as a mill girl, had many similarities and differences in their lives. Life as a slave I personally think would be tougher. Slaves had to work from the time the sun was up and until they could no longer see out and only had 15 minutes to eat the food they barely got, and sometimes if there was a full moon they would work most of the night. Mill girls had to work a lot of hours too though they had to work from 5 A.M. until 7 P.M. As a mill girl their work was not as hard as a slave. In between work the mill girls were allowed to read, knit or go outside to play.
Slaves were all ages but Lowell mill girls were usually young, 'the early mill girls were of different ages. Some were not over ten years old; a few were in middle life, but the majority were between the ages of sixteen and twenty-five.' Unlike slaves the mill girls had a limit of how much they worked. The slaves worked most of their lives with no days off, but the mill girls had homes where they lived and generally worked eight to ten months a year, '... The rest of the time was spent with parents or friends. A few taught school during the summer months.' In the quote it talks about school and slaves did not have the choice of going to school. In fact slaves were not allowed to be taught to read or write because of the slave codes. The white people did not want slaves to learn because they were afraid slaves would try to get power or escape.
Lowell mill girls only had to work about 10-14 hours a day but slaves had to work all day nonstop, 'they do not dare to stop even at dinner time, nor return to the quarters, however late it be, until the order to halt is given by the driver.' Slaves have more than one job but the mill girls only have one job to do every hour so slaves have it harder, 'this done, the labor of the day is not yet ended, by any means. Each one must then attend to his respective chores.'
Both,the slaves and the mill girls get an allowance. The mill girls get 50 cents to a $1 a week but slaves receive three and a half pounds of bacon and some corn for their weekly allowance. Also both slaves and mill girls got beaten and both were treated poorly, 'In the eyes of her overseer she was but a brute, a slave, to be beaten, pinched and pushed about.' In conclusion, being a slave or a mill girl would not be the best life and there are many differences and similarities between their lives.
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Brooke Snyder from 165.139.252.252 @ 1:39 pm on 04/04/2014
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In the 1800s there was a lot of work being done in the U.S. The U.S had people who wanted to work and people who were being forced to work. The United States did not know what it was getting into.
One of the groups of people who were working hard in the U.S were in the north. One group was called the Lowell Mill Girls. Some of the girls were very young and way to young to be working in the mills.
'Some were not even 10 years old;...'
They worked long hours in the factories everyday. They only had 3 breaks a day. Other than those breaks the only thing they did was worked. Most of the girls lived together also. I don't know how I would have liked that. I would think that they would get tired of each other but maybe they did and maybe they didn't. They never had time to spend with their families unless they lived with a family member.
'They worked 8-10 months a year, the rest of the time was spent with their families.'
These girls made money doing what they did. Mostly tending to machines.
The other type of worker that the U.S had during this time was the slaves. They produced crops on plantations in the south. They also worked all day everyday in the heat. The slaves had to reach a certain weight of cotton per day and if they did not reach their quota they were beaten.
'Most frequently they have to little, therefor they are not anxious to leave the fields.'
'The hands are required to be in the cotton field as soon as it is light, wight the exception of 10- 15 minute break for the day...'
Slaves were beat of they did wrong. They were also their because they were being forced to be there. Many of them were captured, brought to the U.S and sold in an auction to various slave owners. Some of the slave owners would have been a blessing for the slaves while others were nightmares for them. Some were treated fairly and some were treated unfairly. To most of the slaves it didn't bother them knowing that they were being the property of another person. The slaves were not taught to read nor were they wanted to be able to read by their masters. The slave owners feared that if they knew how to read then the would be better/more likely to escape. Slaves did not work for money like the mill girls, they worked to be alive. The slaves had different jobs also. The mill girls went to work everyday to do the same things. I would rather do different things from day to day but I would not want to be a slave.
Many people have a lot of different opinions/ideas about these two demanding jobs. I feel that they were both wrong. Nobody should have had to work the hours they did for the wages they had.
One source: Narritive on Solomon Northrup
Second source: Narrative on Lowell Mill Girls
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Kacy Wilson from 165.139.252.252 @ 1:32 pm on 04/04/2014
RE: Lords of the Lash and Lords of the Loom
In the United States in this time period, Slavery was one of the two largest work forces present. With the exception of a lunch break at noon, slaves labored all through the day and often late into the nigh picking cotton from the fields. Other tasks would include ploughing and planting. Thy were fed scarce meals of corn and cold bacon, with no salt, sugar, or spices. While slavery was important to industry in the south, it was usually a cruel environment. If slaves did not meet the weight requirement of cotton in heir basket each night, they were whipped. They spend the entire day picking, not a moment for idle behavior. After they retreat from the fields, they must tend to other chores as well, like caring for livestock. None would chose the life of a slave, but it was unavoidable. Most were born into it, but some had been born free and captured to be sold into slavery. Solomon Northrop was a free man captured and made a slave for 12 years, living on a cruel plantation. He later wrote about his appealing experiences.
The second of the 2 largest working forces was in the factory. Harriet Robinson was very educate on factory life, because she was a part of it. Girls from 16-25 would work long hours in the factory. Girls as young as 10 also would work, for a low wage. They were a used in the factory, with pinching and pushing, and though they were not obligated by any law to stay, they simply had to so they could support their families with an income. They would work hours that surpassed legal working limits, especially for their young age. When the factories released a lower wage, they went on strike. The girls went until they could lie useless no longer and gave in. The strike failed, and they succumbed to the lower wages in he factory.
These two work forces have both similarities and differences. Both, in a sense, enslave you. You are as much a slave in the field as you are in a factory because on the factory, even though working isn't mandatory, you must work for money to survive. You are a slave to the need to survive. Therefore, both forces deem you a slave. But, a difference in the two is that you are rewarded for your work in the factory. As a slave in the south, you are not rewarded for your labor, and if you fall short of expectations, your whipped or sold. This makes for a very distinct difference between the two largest work forces of that time.
Mallory Winger from 165.139.252.252 @ 1:25 pm on 04/04/2014
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Solomon Northup was a free black when he was first born, but then he got kidnapped and sold as slave in 1853. Solomon became a slave for 12 years before being free. Harriet Robinson was married to a newspaper editor and was a factory worker, ever since she was a little mill girl.
Solomon was born a free black man who was kidnapped in New York by men and was to be sold as a slave. He was a slave for 12 years before the governor of New York came and freed him by showing the master his free papers. Solomon lived a hard life while he was a slave. He had to work from sun-up to sun-
down in the fields everyday. Solomon was not use to this kind of work everyday because before he was kidnapped he was a fiddler and a carpenter. Solomon had very strict rules when he was a slave. Such as: 'The hands are required to be in the cotton field as soon as it is light in the morning, and, with the exception of ten or fifteen minutes, which is given them at noon to swallow their allowance of cold bacon, they often times labor till the middle of the night. They do not dare to stop even at dinner time, nor return to the quarters, however late it be, until the order to halt is given by the driver.' 'The day's work over in the field, the baskets are 'toted,' or in other words, carried to the gin- house, where the cotton is weighed. No matter how fatigued and weary he may be- - no matter how much he longs for sleep and rest- - a slave never approaches the gin- house with his basket of cotton but with fear. If it falls short in weight- - if he has not performed the full task appointed him, he knows that he must suffer.'
Harriet Robinson's life is similar to Solomon's because Harriet grew up just like solomon did, in a small town where they could pick the work they wanted to do. She worked in a cotton factory with the mill girls when she was younger. 'At the time the Lowell cotton mills were started the caste of the factory girl was the lowest among the employments of women.' 'In the eyes of her overseer she was but a brute, a slave, to be beaten, pinched and pushed about. It was to overcome this prejudice that such high wages had been offered to women that they might be induced to become mill girls, in spite of the opprobrium that still clung to this degrading occupation.' Both solomon and Harriet were treated like a slave, even though Harriet wasn't a slave.
The differences between Harriet and solomon are that Harriet got paid for her work and solomon was forced to work.
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Erika Pate from 165.139.252.252 @ 1:18 pm on 04/04/2014
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The only difference between slaves and mill girls is that mill girls were paid a little bit for their services and treated decently, but slaves weren't paid at all and treated extremely badly most of the time. Both depended on each other, because the girls could not work in the factories without cotton, and the slaves wouldn't need to harvest as much cotton if it weren't for the girls who would spin it and make it into things for people to buy.
Solomon Northrop's quote, 'The hands are required to be in the cotton field as soon as it is light in the morning, and, with the exception of ten or fifteen minutes, which is given them at noon to swallow their allowance of cold bacon, they are not permitted to be a moment idle until it is too dark to see, and when the moon is full, they often times labor till the middle of the night,' and Harriet Robinson's quote, 'The working hours of all the girls extended from five o'clock in the morning until seven in the evening, with one half hour each, for breakfast and dinner. Even the doffers were forced to be on duty nearly fourteen hours a day,' are similar because both are talking about how they are working from really early in the morning until really late at night with no breaks except for the really small ones given to them.
There are also similarities when Northrop says, 'The day's work over in the field, the baskets are 'toted,' or in other words, carried to the gin- house, where the cotton is weighed. No matter how fatigued and weary he may be- - no matter how much he longs for sleep and rest- - a slave never approaches the gin- house with his basket of cotton but with fear. If it falls short in weight- - if he has not performed the full task appointed him, he knows that he must suffer. And if he has exceeded it by ten or twenty pounds, in all probability his master will measure the next day's task accordingly. So, whether he has two little or too much, his approach to the gin- house is always with fear and trembling. Most frequently they have too little, and therefore it is they are are not anxious to leave the field. After weighing, follow the whippings; and then the baskets are carried to the cotton house, and their contents stored away like hay, all hands being sent in to tramp it down,' and when Robinson says 'The very young girls were called 'doffers.' They 'doffed,' or took off, the full bobbins from the spinning frames, and replaced them with empty ones. These mites worked about fifteen minutes every hour and the rest of the time was their own. When the overseer was kind they were allowed to read, knit, or go outside the mill- yard to play. They were paid two dollars a week. The working hours of all the girls extended from five o'clock in the morning until seven in the evening, with one half hour each, for breakfast and dinner. Even the doffers were forced to be on duty nearly fourteen hours a day. This was the greatest hardship in the lives of these children. Several years later a ten hour law was passed, but not until long after some of these little doffers were old enough to appear before the legislative committee on the subject, and plead, by their presence, for a reduction of the hours of labor,' because both are talking about how long they have to work and how it isn't fair how much work they do.
Neither the mill girls nor the slaves were treated well. They were almost in the same position, except that one was 'free' and one wasn't, but neither of them were really free.
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Emma Maher from 165.139.252.252 @ 1:14 pm on 04/04/2014
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Mill girls and Slaves are a lot alike but are very different in the same way. In the 1800's the slaves would be put to work with no choice and no payment on the other hand mill girls got paid $2.00 a week. They are both similar and different in many ways.
Slaves and mill girls are very in similar in many ways. Some examples are they get to work from sun up to sun down. They are not treated fairly. Slaves get whipped with a whip and mill girls are pinched, pushed, and beaten. The slaves were born into slavery and the mills girls were to little to work in the factory. There were different ages, some as young as 10 years old. Slavery and mill girls was the greatest hardship that kids could go through. Slaves and mill girls both worked. Mill girls would work at a factory and would work the machines while slaves would be in the hot sun, cold winters, and raining springs.
Slaves and Mill girls have similarities but they also have differences. Some examples are mill girls get paid $2.00 for a week while slaves worked for no money. Slaves never had a good meal while mill girls got a meal at breakfast and dinner. Mill girls with houses generally worked from eight to ten months in the year, the rest of the time they spent with there family and friends. Slaves didn't have a family if they were lucky they may have gotten sold with their family. But most salves were separated from their loved ones. Slaves lived in horrible places while the mill girls got place to live that was in good condition. A life as a slave was horrible if you were a slave you worked until you either ran away or you died. When the mill girls worked, they worked 15 minutes of every hour while the slaves would be in the hot, cold, wet, and snowy weather working really hard. When the mill girls would work they would get a roof over there heads while they worked and slaves would work in horrible weather .
Mill girls and slaves are very similar and different at the same time. They both worked very hard and even as young children. Even though mill girls were treated a little better than slaves they were still treated bad. They both have similar life's and different lives.
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Hannah Murphy from 165.139.252.252 @ 1:03 pm on 04/04/2014
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I personally think that a Slave and a mill girl were very alike, but they had some small differences for everything they had alike. First, the ways they are alike. 'The early millgirls were of different ages. Some were not over ten years old; a few were in middle life, but the majority were between the ages of sixteen and twentyfive.' In both slavery and mills, they had a variety of age. The mill girls were of different ages, because of things like a after dying or the family not having enough money. Though the slaves did not get paid they were forced into work, this was what caused the different age groups, the people get married and have children.
Another similarity is, 'At this time woman had no property rights.' Both slaves and women could not own land at the time. This caused a problem for mill girls because when they got a vacation if their husband didn't leave them land in his will, or if they just didn't have a family to go to, they couldn't have a house to live in on vacations. This was different for slaves, because they didn't get a vacation, they never got off the plantation unless they ran away.
'In the eyes of her overseer she was but a brute, a slave, to be beaten, pinched and pushed about.' Another similarity is the women who worked in the factories were treated harshly by their overseers. They could be hurt just like slaves could be by their masters. Also they were not highly thought of by their peers or 'bosses' because of their job.
The first difference was, 'Solomon Northrup was a free black who was kidnapped in New York and sold into slavery for twelve years.' Slaves were owned, but the women were free. Even if a slave was free, and they had their papers, they could be taken to the south and forced to work. The women weren't forced to work, they made the decision to enter the work force.
'Year 1853 Text The hands are required to be in the cotton field as soon as it is light in the morning, and, with the exception of ten or fifteen minutes, which is given them at noon to swallow their allowance of cold bacon, they are not permitted to be a moment idle until it is too dark to see, and when the moon is full, they often times labor till the middle of the night.' The second difference was that the slaves worked until they could no longer see the fields. Though the women worked inside so they were supplied with a source of light, therefore they worked later into the night.
Aliza King from 165.139.252.252 @ 12:59 pm on 04/04/2014
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In the 1800's Eli Whitney created the cotton gin, which was a machine that removed the seeds from the cotton fibers. Because of this it automatically increased the production of cotton. Since the production of cotton increased and farmers needed more slaves, this also sky-rocketed slavery. This is where The Lowell Girls started.
Slaves and the Lowell Girls were similar because they both started at young ages. Also, they worked for about 15 hours every day. Both wouldn't receive dinner until dark or until they had finished there work.
However, they were also different. Most slaves were born into slavery, but Solomon wasn't. He '...was a free black show as kidnapped from New York and sold into slavery for twelve years.( Solomon's narrative)' Slaves mostly worked in the fields picking cotton. But in January they would cut wood, plough, gather corn, plant and much more. When the day was over they would weigh their cotton and if they didn't have a lot or didn't work hard enough they're master would whip them. 'After weighing, follow the whippings; and then the baskets are carried to the cotton house, and their contents stored away like hay...(Solomon's narrative)' they we're to go to bed and get up to eat and go to work, they would have no time for reading, or going outside to play like the Mill Girls. Slaves didn't even know how to read or write.
The Lowell Mill Girls would work in factories instead of the fields. They would also get paid depending on what they did, but mostly two dollars a week. ' The working hours of all the girls extended from five' o'clock in the morning till seven in the evening, with one halftone each,for breakfast and dinner(Harriet's autobiography).' They're overseer would even let them knit, read, or go outside. But slaves did not have that freedom. And they were able to be educated or educate others. Some taught school in the summer for fun.They had a pretty pleasant life compared to slaves. 'Several years later a tenuous law was passed , but not until long after some, of these doffers were old enough to appear before legislative (Harriet's autobiography).'
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Maddy McClure from 165.139.252.252 @ 11:41 am on 04/04/2014
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In the 1800s there were Mill Girls and there were slaves. There were a big difference between them, but they had big similarities too. The mill girls were paid unlike the slaves who were not. They both worked hard but the slaves had to work even harder, in my opinion but because the slaves were property they were not rewarded for there labor. The only way slaves got rewarded was to eat for that night, the owners believed they should not have to give them anything because they are just property. The slaves though had a more harder and more difficult lifestyle. The slaves were beat for practically nothing, they could just look at there owner and the owner would beat them. The slaves could not choose there lifestyles unlike the mill girls. They might of got forced to work in the mill at a certain age but that was not there lifestyle for eternity. The slaves were put into slavery when they were born they had a very unfair advantage every white man believed if you were black that means your a bad person. That generation judged people by the color of there skin. The black people could not choose there color but they had no choose, they had to do what the law said and become a slave. There were many more differences between the two the Mill girls and the slaves, the mill girls could come and go when they wanted, they might of gotten a certain time to be to work. The slaves though were up at dawn worked nonstop till they couldn't stand. Even then though they were yelled at till they would continue to work. The mill girls were treated way better than the slaves. They might of thought they had it hard but really they didn't. The slaves would only dream to have there life. The slaves never had breaks, the only break they could of had was to get a drink even then they were not allowed to sometimes. They were not allowed to do anything else. Mill girls got summer breaks slaves did not. The girls knew they would be able to see there family again and nothing was going to make them not able to. Slaves didn't have a family they would start to get attached then be sold in auctions. They had some similarities as well though, they did work for long hours. They all worked at young ages.
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Bre hamblin from 165.139.252.252 @ 11:34 am on 04/04/2014
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The lives of harriet Robinson(mill girl) and Solomon Northrop(slave) were quite interesting and the lives for the mill girl in my option was worse because of how women were treated and the women and young girls had to work for about 14 hours a day. Most of the girls were about my age which were teens. And they had only a half hour to have enough time for breakfast lunch and dinner. In my opinion they were treated not that well and deserved to be treated better even if it meant getting more break time or anything so that they didn't have to suffer from always doing the same thing over and over all day long. Solomon was different from harriet because she had to work in a cotton mill. And Solomon was kidnapped and sold into slavery illegally and he had skills but he also had to do things that were very new to him because he was used to being a free man and building his own things for his family and not for a master or having to watch over other slaves. And also harriet had never known freedom unlike Solomon but they both wanted freedom. 'Each one must then attend to his respective chores' and all slaves had to do that other wise they would be whipped or sold or who knows what other punishment they might receive. Solomon had a somewhat good life as a slave though because he knew how to do his jobs fairly well. And harriet and Solomon were the even same in different ways. They both wanted freedom, family, and they both wanted to be treated equally which they did not receive. 'the time the Lowell cotton mills were started the caste of the factory girl was the lowest among the employments of women' harriet felt bad for the younger girls who she thougt needed to be different and also that she would teach other young men for extra money. At least she got paid a little unlike Solomon. And for those things that is why she is different.
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Abby Snyder from 165.139.252.252 @ 11:28 am on 04/04/2014
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In the 1800s slavery was widespread and cruel. Salve master would have their slaves work from when the sun came up until it went down. The slaves were paid very little or nothing for their hardships. And the conditions for a slave were almost always terrible. The differences between a slave and it's owner were quite stark. The slaves would eat food that was not near as good as the masters and was very little. The master usually had large sums of money so they could dine luxuriously. Slaves would live in huts or small cabins that's usually had I floor or beds and very little room to cook. Slaves often had to cook their own food with ingredients that were sometimes bad. And besides these troubles they had to work the fields, they worked all day and if they didn't bring in enough cotton they were punished. The invention of he cotton gin was thought to make slavery not as needed, but it simply increased the demand. When the g was invented it meant that mor cotton could be harvested in a day. Which meant the slaves had to work harder and that meant more slaves. The price of slaves went from medium priced to high priced as the labor was highly valued again.
Punishments for not bringing in enough cotton included whipping and beating. Slaves had to take their punishment they couldn't fight back for if they did they could be killed. Some salves did fight back. Solomon Northrop fought his fellow slaves and masters often because they treated him so unfairly. He had been used to living a free life in New York. He played fiddle and was noticed by two men who offered him a job in Washington DC. He accepted and when they came to pick him up they drugged his drink and he was incapacitated. He awoke in slave warehouse where he had been purchased by a brutal master. He fought calling him master for a long time. This stubbornness showed how much he hated slavery and how it changed him to be smarter, more calculated and how he had to do certain things to survive. Sometimes the gap between white man and black was thin. White men were carpenters and so were blacks. Some blacks were better carpenter set than the white showing that they are at least equal in a way.
Grant Schneck from 165.139.252.252 @ 11:20 am on 04/04/2014
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First let's talk about the people how I am going to be quoting from, Solomon Northrop and Harriet Robinson. Solomon was a free black that lived in New York,he was tricked into believing that he would get a better paying job if he goes to DC. Well the trick was that he was sold into slavery, the people have completely taken away his rights. He was never a slave and none of his family was either. He was a carpenter so that was something that the plantation needed so he didn't get whipped often. He stated ' Secondly Harriet Robinson, she is a Lowell Mill worker. She started to work there when she was 16 (about the average age to start working), she stated ' At the time Lowell cotton mills were started the caste of the factory girl was the lowest among the employments of the woman'
There is very little difference between the mill girls and the slaves. Mill girls were treated fairly (most of the time) and they were paid very little for their work. The slaves on the other hand were abused on so many levels (Mental, Physical, Sexual, Etc.) and out of all of their hard work they didn't see a penny come out of it. Both were very dependent on each other, the slaves picked cotton that the master sold to the factories and the girls spun the cotton to sell to the public. 'The hands are required to be in the cotton field as soon as it is light in the morning . . . And when the moon is full, they often times labor till he middle of the night.' (Solomon Northrop). The Mill Girls had it much better though, but the work was very stressful, ' The working hours of all of the girls extended from five o'clock in the morning until seven in the evening, with one half hour each for breakfast and dinner' (Harriet Robinson). Both of these examples explain how both the slaves and the mill girls wake up early and go to bed late,with a little break time for eating. From the stories from Harriet Robinson and Solomon Northrop they share many differences and similarities. The Mill Girls feels like they were trapped like slaves, but slaves don't get a break until they eat and get some sleep (which depended on many different things). Some of the main differences are that slaves stay for life while Mill girls stay until there about 36, and even then they get to leave for about two months to see their family, but then they get shipped right back to the mills. In the end though they share very many similarities and are very little differences.
Luke from 165.139.252.252 @ 9:58 am on 04/04/2014
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DB slavery VS mill girls
Slavery in the Northern cotton fieldstone think was worse than the Mill Girls. The female slaves qwerty violated when they were sold. The mill girls didn't get paid enough and where not treated with equal rights.
Slaves were not treated well at all. Female slaves where raped. The white people would try to get the slaves to have feelings for them, so it wouldn't be counted as rape. They where whipped to almost death. If they tried to runaway, and they were caught they would either be whipped to death, hung, branded, and ear cut off, or even your foot cut off. Your slave master could do whatever they wanted to do to you. They could kill you, cut your body parts off, and even make you mate with someone so they could have more slaves. When the slaves where getting ready to be sold, they would be packed in horse stalls as tight as they could, and as many as they can. There would be many white people waiting to buy the newest edition to their collection. The slaves where sold in nice cloths and then taken to their new masters home, to work. And when a man ordered a belly warmer he was order some to do something with.
The Mills Girls were not treated very well, but not as bad as slaves. The Mills Girls were paid very low about $0.40 a day. That is way less than the men got paid. And right there, you can tell that women were not treated the same as the men. Women where not aloud to vote and do what the men do. There rights were very slim. The Mills Girls wanted to be treated the same as the men. The Mills Girls babe rely had enough money to get by, but they had a job in the factories that paid very little, but at least it is something. They would have meetings to make flyers, posters, and signs. The signs where about, women should have the same rights as men. The Mills Girls where trying to make there stand and be heard.
In my eyes the slaves had it way harder than the Mills Girls. The slaves did not get any money when they worked, they where never aloud to leave the masters land, endless the master wrote a letter saying they had permission to. The Mills Girls had it easier than the slaves they could stop working at the factories if they really wanted to. They got paid some money, which is way more than the slaves got. They had a voice, and that cold be heard and they tried really hard. Where the slaves had no voices. Lords of the lash and lords of the looms. Lords of the lash are the slaves, and lords of the looms are the Mills Girls.
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Savannah Riggleman from 165.139.252.252 @ 9:42 am on 04/04/2014
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In the 1800s, America was starting to advance and grow as a nation. In the early 1800s, the cotton gin was being improved by Eli Whitney. By that time, slavery was starting to vanish in the states, because cotton was too difficult to process anymore. Only one slave could only clean and process one pound of cotton a day. When Eli Whitney's cotton gin was available, slavery started to flourish again in the south. The cotton gin made the cleaning process of cotton much faster. With the cotton gin, one slave could clean and process 50 pounds of cotton in one day. The cotton gin severely changed things in the south, it once again made slavery flourish, and triggered more cotton production in the west. It then made cotton the king crop in the south.
With the slaves having to work in the fields, and the mill girls working in the factories, there were little differences that kept them apart. The things a slave would have to go through were MUCH worse than a mill girl. The main difference would obviously be freedom. Mill girls were free to go after their 12 hour shifts, slaves were not. Slaves were forced to work sun up to sun down for six days a week. Mill girls could quit anytime they wanted to, they were not owned, they had nice living quarters, and they even got paid. On the other hand slaves were owned by other people. They could not just quit and walk out. If they even tried to run to freedom, they would be whipped until their bodies were covered in cuts and gashes. They could only dream of freedom. Sometimes their living conditions were inhumane, and they obviously did not get paid. The mill girls were respected as individuals, and treated as people. On the other hand, slaves were kept and treated like animals, and that's all they were ever looked at in the eyes of white people.
Believe it or not the mill girls and the slaves were actually some what similar. They had poor and dangerous working conditions, long working hours, and demanding jobs. It would be bad news for a mill girl if she were it ever get her dress or hair stuck in the machines. Their job could often been considered as life threatening. It wasn't rare for limbs to be ripped off in the machines. It was important to be cautious working in the factory. With the slaves, they also had poor working conditions. They would work outside in the hot sun from sun up to sun down. With overseers watching their every move. If they were to do something wrong, the overseer would pull out his whip and beat them for punishment. They both worked long and exhausting hours, and worked 6 days a week having Sunday off. As laborers, they both faced many difficult situations in their life, and it's important to realize what these people did to make our country the way it is today.
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Hailey Shipp from 165.139.252.252 @ 9:23 am on 04/04/2014
Slave V.S. Lowell Mill Girl
Slaves and Lowell Mill girls were similar in multiple ways, but also different in a vast amount of ways. In the Mid-1800's, Women and African Americans were both minorities in The United States. They were not treated in same regards as white men. Lowell Mill girls were girls who left their homes to go work in factories in New England. Their work conditions were poor, and were among the lowest pay for women at the time. 'At the time the Lowell Cotton mills were started the caste of the factory girl was the lowest among employment of women.'(Robinson) Although conditions were bad, I think they were worse for African American slaves. Slaves received no pay, and were owned by their masters.
Both Slaves and Lowell Mill girls worked around the clock. Lowell Mill girls began work around 5:00 AM and ended near 7:00 PM, with two half hour breaks. Slaves worked from the moment the sun came up, and only could stop when told so by their master. A Slave, Solomon Northrup says 'When the moon if full, they often labor till the middle of the night.'(Northrup) If the slaves did not complete their task, they were often brutally punished, which was rare in the case of a Lowell Mill girl. 'So whether he has too little or too much, his approach to the gin-house is always with fear and trembling'(Northrup). Once again, it seems like slaves have a more difficult time than Lowell Mill girls.
The living conditions for Slaves and Lowell Mill Girls contrast wider than some other topics. Lowell Mill girls slept in boarding rooms with as much as six girls in one room. The room had beds that the girls could share. Slaves often crammed into a barn and had to sleep on hay and the mud with many other slaves. If you were lucky, you may have been a house slave who had a very poor quality bed. The foods and amounts were different.
The slaves usually got a weekly amount of food, and it was a very small amount. The Lowell Mill girls usually got two 30 minute breaks in a day to have a home cooked meal. Even though pay was very low for Lowell Mill Girls, it still best the sacrifice that slaves had to make. Slave owners ranged from Nice to Cruel, but no matter which way you place it, slavery was awful. Lowell Mill girls even got paid 2 dollars a week. 'The working hours of all girls extended from five o' clock to seven in the evening, with one half hour each, for breakfast and dinner.' (Robinson)
No matter which way I look at it, Slavery seems much worse than Mill girls' work. Both seem like a dreadful experience, but Slavery allowed little free will, unlike the Mill girls. The Lowell Mill girls got to go home for 2 months in a year, but Slaves had full time suffering. Working at the mill is similar to slavery, but could never reach an extreme aspect like Slavery had.
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William Stewart from 165.139.252.252 @ 10:06 pm on 04/03/2014
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The lives of a mill girl and a slaver were very similar. For a slave, Soloman Northrop said,'The hands are required to be in the cotton field as soon as it is light in the morning, and, with the exception of ten or fifteen minutes, which is given them at noon to swallow their allowance of cold bacon, they are not permitted to be a moment idle until it is too dark to see, and when the moon is full, they often times labor till the middle of the night' (Northrop). And for the mill girls, Harriet Robinson said,'The working hours of all the girls extended from five o'clock in the morning until seven in the evening, with one half-hour each, for breakfast and dinner. Even the doffers were forced to be on duty nearly fourteen hours a day'(Robinson). The work time for a mill girl and a slave was ridiculously long. Another similarity is that men almost always ruled. In the factories, there was always a male supervisor. And as a slave, the plantation owner, which was usually a man, was always watching over you, or hired some one to watch you. And with both jobs, you could easily be wounded or killed.
There was also some differences between the two. The slaves and mill girls had different ways they would eat. Northrop said that they only received cold bacon. Robinson said, ' with one half-hour each, for breakfast and dinner' (Robinson). Also the money you got was completely different. As a slave, you basically worked so you could live. As a mill girl, you would anywhere from 50¢ to $1.00. Slaves also had to live in little makeshift huts, and sleep sometimes on the floor with no pillow or blanket. The mill girls had nice, small rooms to sleep in with a warm bed. The slave girls didn't have to worry about getting whipped for not doing their job.
Either way, both of these lives were horrible, with the slave working to just save his life, and with the mill girls working for barely any money at all. Although, I think the slaves were treated worse because they weren't allowed to stop to rest unless it was time to eat their cold bacon. The mill girls at least had a bed to sleep in and wouldn't get whipped just for doing something that wasn't their fault. Either way, both lives are horrible.
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Clay Grider from 165.139.252.252 @ 9:23 pm on 04/03/2014
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During the early to middle nineteenth century, two different labor forces were hard at work in the North and South of the United States. In the North, mill girls made textiles in the factories of Lowell, while slaves performed backbreaking labor in the South's cotton fields. While these do sound like two very different occupations, they actually shared more similarities than one might think. However, they did have their differences as well.
during the mid-to-late 1800s, the town of Lowell, Massachusetts, was booming with the textile industry. In order to earn money for themselves and their families, girls as young as age ten, but usually between the ages of 16 and 25, labored in the factories of This riverside town. These girls worked long days at the factories-initially up to fourteen hours a day. Harriet Robinson stated that, 'The working hours for all the girls extended from five o'clock in the morning until seven in the evening, with one half hour each, for breakfast and dinner.' The girls made small wages for their work, only about 40% of what a man made for the same job. Tending the factory equipment was a dangerous task. The moving parts were not covered, so one could get hair, clothes, or limbs stuck in the machines if not careful. This could result in serious injury or even death. The youngest mill girls were called differs. They made two dollars a week, and were on duty fifteen minutes an hour. According to Robinson, during the differs' off time, 'When overseer was kind they were allowed to read, knit, or go outside the mill-yard to play.'
Solomon Northrup was a free African-American who lived in New York. He was kidnapped and sold into slavery for twelve years. During these twelve years, he kept a journal that detailed he everyday experience of living as a slave. According to Northrup, 'The hands are required to be in the cotton field as soon as it is light in the morning, and, with the exception of ten or fifteen minutes, which is given to them at noon to swallow their allowance of cold bacon, they are not permitted to be a moment idle until it is too dark to see, and when the moon is full, they often times labor till the middle of the night.' After this process had been completed, the slaves carried their picked cotton to the gin house. It was then weighed. The slaves feared for their amount to be either overweight or underweight. If their cotton was overweight, they would be expected to pick the same amount the next day. If it was underweight, they would be whipped. The slaves would then attend to their own individual chores. Northrup describes the food org oven to the slaves on the plantation: 'Each (slave) receives, as his weekly allowance, three and a half pounds of bacon, and corn enough to make a peck of a meal. That is all--no tea, coffee, sugar, and with the exception of a vey scanty sprinkling now and then, no salt...'
While both the Lowell mill girls and slaves worked very hard in the early-to-mid 1800s, the slaves worked even longer shifts, with even shorter breaks, and they received no pay in return for their labor. They also had no rights, could not leave the plantation without their master's permission, and could not visit their family members for a few months a year, as the Lowell girls did.
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Eric Chauret from 165.139.252.252 @ 8:26 pm on 04/03/2014
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Both slaves and mill workers were treated very unfairly. If I do say so, mill workers were just slaves with a very low pay. These people that were enslaved or worked in the mills were not far apart from each other though as in intensive work goes. Slaves and mills girls worked all day, there was high dangers in both slavery and factories, and they were not given any time at all to 'play around'.
Slavery and mill workers had their similarities. Though these two activities are not perfectly alike, they are similar. For example, from the Harriet Robinson narrative, Harriet says 'She was represented as subjected to influences that must destroy her purity and selfrespect. In the eyes of the overseer she was but a brute, a slave, to be beaten, pinched and pushed about.' In the previous quote it even says 'a slave'. These women that worked in the mills were very much treated like slaves. Also like slaves, the mill girls were subjected to long hours of work. Another quote from Harriet Robinson's narrative says 'The working hours of all the girls extended from five o'clock in the morning until seven in the evening, with one half hour each, for breakfast and dinner.' Also very much like slaves, women had no rights to own any property. The Harriet Robinson narrative confirms this statement by saying 'At this time women had no property rights.' The last similarity between the two groups (enslaved blacks and factory girls) is that in their job/enslavement they could not rest. In Solomon Northrup's narrative it says from a slaves perspective 'Then the fears and labors of another day begin; and until it's close there is no such thing as rest.' This is a hundred percent correct. Slaves were aloud zero time to 'goof off' and factory girls could only do certain activities if their overseer aloud them, which would rarely to never happen.
As there are similarities between two things, there are also differences. By this logic, there are also many differences in slavery. Reading from the Harriet Robinson narrative, you could have sworn that slavery and working in a factory were exactly the same thing. Reading Solomon Northrup's narrative, it ridicules Harriet Robinson's narrative by showing that slavery is far worse and has many more differences in it than if you were to be a factory girl. For an example of a difference, slaves were always terrified when their job was over. In Solomon Northrup's narrative it says 'No matter how fatigued and weary he may be- -no matter how much he longs for sleep and rest- -a slave never approaches the gin-house with his basket of cotton but with fear.' Not once in the excerpt from Harriet Robinson's narrative did it say that the the mill girls were terrified of approaching their place of work. As the time that the mill girls eat is limited, the portions of their food is not, unlike a slave. In Solomon Northrup's narrative, it states 'All that is allowed them is corn and bacon, which is given out at the corncrib and smoke- house every Sunday morning. Each one receives, as his weekly allowance, three and a half pounds of bacon, and corn enough to make a peck of a meal.' Another major difference is that the factory girls in spare time were allowed to do other activities. In the Harriet Robinson narrative it states 'When the overseer was kind they were allowed to read, knit, or go outside the millyard to play.' Another huge difference is that the mill girls were paid at least some money. In Robinson's narrative, she says 'They were paid two dollars a week.' The last diff ends I would like to point out in this essay is that the mill girls could go on 'strike without getting whipped or punished. In Robinson's narrative, it states 'One of the first strikes that ever took place in this country was in Lowell in 1836.'
In conclusion, there are many similarities between enslaved African Americans and the Lowell Mill girls. There are also many differences in between these two groups. What is important, is knowing that these two particular groups were treated extremely unfair. The best thing we can do about this, is make sure that we keep studying this crucial piece of American history and tell the generations after us. For if we do not know our history, it is bound to repeat itself.
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Bryce Borden from 165.139.252.252 @ 8:23 pm on 04/03/2014
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I'll take my guess that living in the 1840s for women and slaves weren't that good. I mean it was technically bad for everyone but worse for the slaves and women. From the zero rights that women get and that no freedom is given to the slaves. Sure, the women may not have that many rights as men do but the slaves literally had no freedom. Men, women, and children. Solomon Northrup was a free man before being kidnapped and sold. Harriet Robinson, a mill girl of a factory in Lowell, Massachusetts. They both have completely different lives, but share the same thoughts for rights and freedom.
Being a free man and having friends and family, only until you're kidnapped and sold into slavery. That's probably one of the most hear breaking feeling that you could have as you might belief that you won't see your father ever again. But, there's always hope, like the war against brothers. South and North. We thought that we would never fight on our own land again not only spewing our own blood on our land. We broke up our country for slavery.. really?! We used black men to do our work because we were to lazy to do it on out own. We can cause pain, but I guess we can't even work for our food and feed our family. We have to have someone else do it.
It goes along with the women working in the factories, they get paid less when they make the things that we need for average life?! The women in those factories should be considers slaves for how they're treated. They may not be beaten, but they sure can be hurt in those places. And with the harsh work environments they don't even have the rights to take home their money and spend it, but no, they either have to give it to their husbands or for something that their sons or husband needs. Some don't even have the right to own a house if their husband passes away or if they haven't been married. When the father/husband dies the daughters don't get any money or precious things. They may get a house but they can't get married or they would lose it.
Women nor girls couldn't get any rights. As the slaves couldn't get freedom. Until people started to stand up for it. Whether it took fighting or arguing. Killing and fighting may not be the correct and right answer but it knocked some sense into the South's head.
The 1840s may have been a bad time but, we made it through it. Though, slavery is still out there in the U.S and women are still consider smaller and weaker than men but, we're cleaning it up.
One person at a time...
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Tabby Bourff from 165.139.252.252 @ 7:18 pm on 04/03/2014
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During the 1800s Slavery in the south was something that you saw in the south a bunch. Maybe not a bunch but it was very common. Which personally I don't truly agree with. Truly back then you wouldn't think about it as much as you do today because they really didn't know much better. So basically in the long run the weird stuff we do today people are gonna think were weird for he stuff we do today which still changes people and the things that happen.
The Lowell mill girls had a easy life basically. I mean they were given breaks which other slaves didn't truly get breaks like they did. I'm not saying there life was like hours and was just truly easy, I mean there lives were easier then slaves out in the fields from sun up to sun down then finally would getting a break to go to sleep or have a little bit to eat. The Lowell mill girls had it easy because they were aloud to do a lot that other slaves would get beaten for or even possibly killed. They could basically even go on strike without getting beaten by slave owners.
There's a difference between a slave and a Female laborer. As soon as the sun came up a slaves arms had to be in the fields working, while a female working as a laborer only had to work a couple of hours from like 5 o'clock to 7 o'clock with a thirty inure break according to Harriet Jacobs book.
Now on to Harriet Jacobs and Solomon Northrop. Solomon Northrop was a true slave. He worked in the fields from day up to day down picking cotton and doing everything that a struggling slave had to do to not get whipped. Soloman stated in his book that if you failed to meet the requirements for a days work of picking cotton then you would get whipped. While females that worked in the house had it easier because they were basically working for a couple,of hours and being finished. So basically this is why I feel as if a slaves life was a lot worse then A female laborer.
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Devyn Marr from 165.139.252.252 @ 6:48 pm on 04/03/2014
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After reading both sources I have found that the differences for both were in Harriet Robinson it talked about her not getting as good treatment as the men because she was a women and how that was not right. How she got paid less then the men did when both men and women worked the same hours. Also women having to have a man tell them what they can and can't do. Also women can't have property or anything like that unless a man said they could. It even says that 'at this time woman had no property rights. A widow could be left without her
share of her husband's (or the family) property, an ' incumbrance' to his estate. A father could make his will without reference to his daughter's share of the inheritance. He usually left her a home on the farm as long as she remained single. A woman was not supposed to be capable of spending her own, or of using other people's money. In Massachusetts, before 1840, a woman could not, legally, be treasurer of her own sewing society, unless some man were responsible for her. The law took no cognizance of woman as a moneyspender. She was a ward, an appendage, a relict. Thus it happened that if a woman did not choose to marry, or, when left a widow, to remarry, she had no choice but to enter one of the few employments open to her, or to become a burden on the charity of some relative.' - Harriet Robinson (mill girl). Also the difference for Solomon northup was he talks about much work him and slaves did. He also talked about all the rules and things like that they had to do everything by. He even says that 'The day's work over in the field, the baskets are 'toted,' or in other words, carried to the gin- house, where the cotton is weighed. No matter how fatigued and weary he may be- - no matter how much he longs for sleep and rest- - a slave never approaches the gin- house with his basket of cotton but with fear. If it falls short in weight- - if he has not performed the full task appointed him, he knows that he must suffer. And if he has exceeded it by ten or twenty pounds, in all probability his master will measure the next day's task accordingly. So, whether he has two little or too much, his approach to the gin- house is always with fear and trembling. Most frequently they have too little, and therefore it is they are are not anxious to leave the field. After weighing, follow the whippings; and then the baskets are carried to the cotton house, and their contents stored away like hay, all hands being sent in to tramp it down. If the cotton is not dry, instead of taking it to the gin- house at once, it is laid upon platforms, two feet high, and some three times as wide, covered with boards or plank, with narrow walks running between them.' - Solomon Northup. 512 words.
Cody from 165.139.252.252 @ 5:41 pm on 04/03/2014
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Solomon Northrup and Harriet Robinson both somewhat lived the same type of lives. They both worked hard in a horrible environment but slaves were treated a lot worse that mill girls.
Solomon was a free African American. He had a decent job carpeting and playing the fiddle on big occasions. One night, two older white men asked Solomon to go toWashington DC for a fiddling job. They took him out for dinner but Solomon wasn't feeling good so the gentlemen took him home and cleaned up while Solomon was passing out. The next morning Solomon woke up I'm a dark room chained to the ground. Solomon was screaming for help while a gentlemen was asking him for his free papers and he didn't have them. Solomon was taken to a slave auction where they changed his name to plat. He was sold to a slave owner in the Deep South. Because Solomon was already free he knew how to read and write. He didn't tell his owners this because they would be afraid of him and give him unfair punishments. There was a white man that worked on the plantation as a helping hand. Solomon wrote him a letter for him to give to the post of five so it can be sent to New York where Solomon is from. One day Solomon was working in the field when the governor of New York took him from the plantation mad brought him back home to his family in New York. Solomon spent 12 years as a slave and took the two men who sold him into slavery but the case was dropped because I black man couldn't take a whit man to court.
In Harriet Robinsons story she wasn't a slave and never became one. Harriet was a female factory worker at the Lowell industry. At the age of ten in 1834 -1848 In Lowell Massachusetts. In 1832 five corporations were started, the cotton mills belonging to them were building. The more factories that were building the more people they needed to work and that means more cotton was being made and picked and order for you to have more cotton picked you needed more slaves to do the labor. Harriet Robinson worked with the Lowell girls since she was ten. The factory was threatening to cut their wages but Harriet wasn't going to receive lower wages she doesn't make enough as it is. In 1836 Harriet and the Lowell girls went in strike. They ended up keeping there wages. They also went on strike for shortening their working hours but they kept their same 12 hour days. The difference between Harriet's work and Solomon's was working in a field and working in a factory.
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Deon Graham from 165.139.252.252 @ 2:29 pm on 04/03/2014
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There are many differences between the lives of slave girls and the lives of the Lowell Mill girls. One major difference, is that the slave girls get paid nothing. At least the mill girls make a little bit of money for their work. Also, the slave girls live in horrible conditions. The mill girls live in moderately good conditions. Mill girls and slave girls had very different life styles. The life of a slave girl can be described in an exert from the Solomon Northrup passage, 'The hands are required to be in the cotton field as soon as it is light in the morning, and, with the exception of ten or fifteen minutes, which is given them at noon to swallow their allowance of cold bacon, they are not permitted to be a moment idle until it is too dark to see, and when the moon is full, they often times labor till the middle of the night. They do not dare to stop even at dinner time, nor return to the quarters, however late it be, until the order to halt is given by the driver.' The slave girls had no say in when they worked, how late they worked, and what kind of work they did. The mill girls chose to be employed.
Another reason, is that the work the mill girls did created more work for slaves, and it made a need for more slaves. The mill owners needed more cotton, so that they could make more money. This demand was met by illegally bringing in slaves and making the slaves do more work than they already had. The Lowell girls, however, had it bad as well. They had to work hard to earn their Dailey food. When Charles Dickens visited Lowell, he said this,'I cannot recall or separate one young face that gave me a painful impression; not one young girl whom, assuming it to be a matter of necessity that she should gain her daily bread by the labour of her hands, I would have removed from those works if I had had the power.' He saw that these girls had it bad.
Both slave girls and Lowell Mill girls had a bad time. They were treated badly, they were paid little, or no money, and they were not fed very well. This was a bad time in American History.
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Justin Pitzer from 165.139.252.252 @ 2:08 pm on 04/03/2014
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One thing that I found to be particularly interesting was how both the mill girls and the slaves were kind of in the same boat. Of course, there were some certain differences between them, but they were definitely having most of the same problems.
By themselves, the mill girls seemed to be going to the mills only for the white men. They typically went to get jobs, the lowest ranked jobs, at the mills because they were hoping to send a man in their family off to college, so that he could later make money. Hardly anything was spent towards any other possible causes. Even better, the women themselves were on paid 2/5 of the money that a man would make. Why? Because they were women. However, the slaves were on a different end of the bargain. Slaves worked hard jobs, out in the fields or in the house, and most of them worked for no pay, no matter if they were a woman or a man. But some certain slave owners allowed their slaves to leave the plantations to take on jobs that could be found within the town.But even though they did let their slaves have the freedom to earn any money, most slave owners would take a large portion or all of the money that they earned doing the jobs.
The two groups were also similar in quite a few different ways. The main one that I seem to find funny, is that they were both put in that situation by the same group of people, the white man. Women mainly took the jobs in the factories so that they could earn the money to send a white male in their household to college. Slaves were brought overseas to America by white men to be sold to white men, and to eventually be sold to another white man, and to be enslaved by the same group of white men.
Another similarity was how dangerous the work that they did was. For example, cotton picking. If a slave returned to the gin house with under 50 pounds of cotton, then he would expect to be whipped. If a slave returned to the gin house with over 50 pounds of cotton, then they would have to do the same the next day. And if they failed to do so, then they would most likely be whipped. It was not uncommon for slaves to be whipped to their death. For the Mill girls, it was a different kind of danger. They had to wear tight fitting clothes and keep their hair tied back or short. Why, you may wonder? Because if they didn't, they risked the chance of getting sucked into one of the dangerous machines around them. After that, they might possibly lose or break a limb, maybe even their own life.
One more similarity is how and where they lived. Both groups lived in confined areas that had specific curfews for them. The houses were also only limited to having four people. There wasn't much of a difference there.
Anyways, the mill girls were treated with not much more respect than the slaves were. They were put in mostly the same situations, even though they were as different as night and day,

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Delaney Enyart from 165.139.252.252 @ 2:00 pm on 04/03/2014
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Lords of the lash, lords of the loom


In the 1800s, two very different types of work were occurring, Although some would say they weren't very different at all. In the southern region of the United States, slavery was in full drive. While in the northern region of the country, mill girls were working around the clock. They were exactly the same except one party was getting paid, while the other didn't have a choice and were not paid.
'At the time the Lowell cotton mills were started the caste of the factory girl was the lowest among the employments of women.' Mill girls had only a little more freedom than slaves, but they weren't respected. Their wage was 40 cents to a man's one dollar! Though slaves didn't get any money. 'The early mill girls were of different ages. Some were not over ten years old; a few were in middle life, but the majority were between the ages of sixteen and twenty five'. It's hard to believe that 10 year old girls were working! They probably felt good that they were the ones bringing home the bread.
'An hour before day light the horn is blown. Then the slaves arouse.' Another difference is the slaves had longer work hours. The quote above tells they woke up before dawn and yet they worked until 'a late hour, they then reach the quarters, sleepy and overcome with the long day's toil.' While mill girls had 11.5 hour days, the slaves had closer to around twenty hour days.
The mill girls and slaves were similar in many ways. For example, they had extremely long days and weren't treated very well. They both got cheated, like how a women made 20 cents less than a man per one dollar, slaves got cheated out of respect, meals, and good quartering areas! They also pushed for better conditions to work in. Another similarity is the slaves ran away or rebelled, and the mill girls went out on strike a few times for shorter labor hours. It was actually the first labor union established!
Through the excerpts from Harriet Robison and Solomon Northrop, there are many differences and many similarities: 'In the eyes of her overseer she was but a brute, a slave, to be beaten, pinched and pushed about.' '...he knows that he must suffer.' The mill girls feel as if the were trapped like slaves. While slaves do not get a break,unless for the period of time they sleep, the mill girls do. That is a difference. It depends on the age though. Yet a certain time they get to leave for around two months to be with their family, as soon as it's over, they get shipped right back to the mills.
Mill girls and slaves have their differences but they most definitely have a lot of similarities.
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Grcae from 165.139.252.252 @ 7:00 am on 04/03/2014
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Lords of lash and lords of loom
During the 1800's, labor work was very brutal and rough for both slaves and mill girls. They were bother treated poorly, even though slaves were treated a lot worse than most women. Slaves and mill girls and many similarities and many differences.
Both mill girls and slaves were discriminated during this time. Some things they had in common were starting labor work at young ages. Mill girls started as early as ten years old and slave started started as early as possible. Also, they both would work for long hours. Slaves and mill girls worked for a long time and got little breaks. Another way that slaves and mill girls were treated the same, was they were both abused. Slaves were whipped, branded and even killed. Now, even though mill girls weren't branded or murdered, they were still whipped with leather belts and punished if they did not behave or worked slow.
Slaves and mill girls were very different from each other, however, for many reasons. One being the girls were paid. Yes, they worked for long hours like the slaves, but at least they were paid, even though they weren't paid very much at all. They only made about two dollars a week. Also, slaves worked everyday of the week, where mill girls worked six of the seven days a week. The slaves also worked longer hours than the mill girls. They would work from around five o'clock in the morning to seven o'clock at night. If there was a full moon, they might work even later. Plus, the girls got a break during the summer and the slaves worked all year 'round. Another reason, is that the girls had a choice to work or not. However some of them had to so that they could help support their families. Slaves were forced into labor work. Even the free slaves that rightfully earned their freedom could be kidnapped and taken into slavery and there wouldn't be anything they could say or do about it. Unless, like Solomon Northrup, they somehow got a letter back home to inform their family so they could come rescue them. Also, the girls were treated a lot better because they were fed better and had beds to sleep in. Another major reason that they were different was that slaves were owned and mill girls were not. They slaves were treated as if they were animals. Also, the mill girls weren't sold off in auctions like the slaves. The slaves had it pretty rough. A lot worse than the mill girls, but the mill girls were still treated pretty poorly.
So both slaves and mill girls were not treated treated very well and were both discriminated. The slaves had it pretty rough. They were treated a lot worse than the mill girls, but the mill girls were still treated pretty poorly. It was a very brutal time for both slaves and mill girls.
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Jordyne White from 165.139.252.252 @ 8:56 pm on 04/02/2014
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The only difference between slaves and mill girls is that mill girls were paid a small amount for their services and treated fairly well, where slaves were paid nothing and treated horribly in most cases. Both were dependent on one another, for the girls could not work in the factories without cotton, and the slaves would not really need to harvest as much cotton if it weren't for the people who would spin it and make it into things for people to buy.
I see similarities in Solomon Northup's quote, 'The hands are required to be in the cotton field as soon as it is light in the morning, and, with the exception of ten or fifteen minutes, which is given them at noon to swallow their allowance of cold bacon, they are not permitted to be a moment idle until it is too dark to see, and when the moon is full, they often times labor till the middle of the night,' and Harriet Robinson's quote, 'The working hours of all the girls extended from five o'clock in the morning until seven in the evening, with one halfhour each, for breakfast and dinner. Even the doffers were forced to be on duty nearly fourteen hours a day,' because both are talking about how they are working from very early in the morning until late at night with no breaks except for the very small ones allotted to them.
I also see similarities when Northup says, 'The day's work over in the field, the baskets are 'toted,' or in other words, carried to the gin- house, where the cotton is weighed. No matter how fatigued and weary he may be- - no matter how much he longs for sleep and rest- - a slave never approaches the gin- house with his basket of cotton but with fear. If it falls short in weight- - if he has not performed the full task appointed him, he knows that he must suffer. And if he has exceeded it by ten or twenty pounds, in all probability his master will measure the next day's task accordingly. So, whether he has two little or too much, his approach to the gin- house is always with fear and trembling. Most frequently they have too little, and therefore it is they are are not anxious to leave the field. After weighing, follow the whippings; and then the baskets are carried to the cotton house, and their contents stored away like hay, all hands being sent in to tramp it down,' and when Robinson says 'The very young girls were called 'doffers.' They 'doffed,' or took off, the full bobbins from the spinningframes, and replaced them with empty ones. These mites worked about fifteen minutes every hour and the rest of the time was their own. When the overseer was kind they were allowed to read, knit, or go outside the mill- yard to play. They were paid two dollars a week. The working hours of all the girls extended from five o'clock in the morning until seven in the evening, with one halfhour each, for breakfast and dinner. Even the doffers were forced to be on duty nearly fourteen hours a day. This was the greatest hardship in the lives of these children. Several years later a tenhour law was passed, but not until long after some of these little doffers were old enough to appear before the legislative committee on the subject, and plead, by their presence, for a reduction of the hours of labor,' because both are talking of how long they work and how it is not fair how much work they do.
Neither the mill girls nor the slaves were treated fairly. They were very close to being in the same position, except one was 'free' and one was not, but neither of them were truly free.
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Maddie Barber from 165.139.252.252 @ 3:01 pm on 04/02/2014
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Life as a slave was never ending. You were a slave until the day you died. If you didn't die as a slave, you either were a runaway or you were freed by your master. They didn't get any days off. Mill girls were not held and forced to work against there will. They were granted a couple months off of work each year. I don't believe that the women's pay was right. It was kind of stupid to make these women work for hours on end 6 days a week just to get a small pay of somewhere between 40 to 80 cents per day. They were practically worked like slaves for that time. This is like slavery in many ways. A slave could get punished if they misbehaved their masters orders. Same with the Lowell girls. That may have been the only way their punishment could have been alike. Slaves could get whipped, branded, and even murdered if they acted up. Lowell girls could receive other punishments like not being able to go do what they please.
Solomon Northrup was a free black who was kidnapped in New York and sold into slavery for twelve years. He is saying that people took away the freedom he rightfully had, this is like going to work for the mills. They had almost no freedoms when they were working in the mills. He had to work in the fields and pick cotton. Picking Colton by hand is a hard thing to do. Solomon had to wake up once the sun came up, or when they could see to start working. He would work all day nonstop, slaves couldn't even stop to rest or to eat. He would be done working once he couldn't see, which sometimes this would be late into the night if it was a full moon.
Harriet Robinson was a lowell women working in a factory. She worked in a factory from 1832 to 1848. the majority were between the ages of sixteen and twenty five. This is like most of the slaves. Many of the slaves were young and hardworking like the Lowell Mill girls.
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Cole Coffman from 165.139.252.252 @ 2:51 pm on 04/02/2014
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Around the 1800's slavery was very popular in the south. All the big plantations that made good money had a lot of slaves. Slaves were forced workers, who worked for no pay. People mainly thought of slaves back in the 1800's but the mill girls were much like all the slaves they worked almost all day for very little pay. They had to stay at the factory and live there like the slaves had to stay on the plantation. In some cases slaves had better living conditions than the mill girls. The wages were unfair for them they got paid 40% of what the men got paid. They even lowered there pay.
There was a big difference in slaves and mill girls. Kill girls were free. Slaves were not free. Mill girls also got to go home in the summers and see there family. The slaves mostly when they were sold away from the family they never saw them again. Even though they had the freedom they we're treated and respected more like slaves than free people. They only had to work 14 hours when slaves had to work about 20 hours a day. Although they were respected and treated as slaves they could go on a strike without being killed. If you were a slave on strike you would have been killed.
Harriet Robinson was a mill girl who wrote a book about her life as a mill girl. She talked about how only guys got a college education. But if girls could have a college education they could work the jobs that require a good education but since they don't get to go to college they don't get a good education and don't get a good job or a good pay. She also talked about how they would only make a few bucks a week if they were lucky. 'Her labor could command but small return. If she worked out as servant, or 'help,' her wages were from 50 cents to $1 .00 a week; or, if she went from house to house by the day to spin and weave, or do tailors work, she could get but 75 cents a week and her meals.' In her book she was trying to show women didn't get fair pay.
In the passage from Soloman Northrups story 12 years a slave. He was a free and brought into slavery to work from morning to midnight which gives them little to not time to rest. Like when he said 'The day's work over in the field, the baskets are 'toted,' or in other words, carried to the gin- house, where the cotton is weighed. No matter how fatigued and weary he may be- - no matter how much he longs for sleep and rest- - a slave never approaches the gin- house with his basket of cotton but with fear. If it falls short in weight- - if he has not performed the full task appointed him, he knows that he must suffer. And if he has exceeded it by ten or twenty pounds, in all probability his master will measure the next day's task accordingly.'
There is not much difference in slaves and mill girls other than a few less hours alittle pay and freedom for a few months.
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Tyler Lechner from 165.139.252.252 @ 2:48 pm on 04/02/2014
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The 1800s brought brutal times for America. Labor was harsh in these times. Some labor involves slaves and mill girls. Slaves and mill girls had very different, but somewhat the same lives.
Slaves had no choice when forced to work. Although mill girls weren't forced to come and work everyday. 'The slaves are required to be in the cotton field as soon as it is light in the morning, and, with he exception of ten or fifteen minutes, which is given them at noon to swallow their allowance of cold bacon, they are not permitted to be a moment idle until it is too dark to see, and when the moon is full, they often times labor till the middle of the night.' Slaves would work from sun up to sun down in the boiling heat with little food and break time. They were allowed to eat cold bacon, which is disgusting to eat especially on a hot day of work. 'All that is allowed them is corn and bacon, which is given out at the corn crib and smoke house every Sunday morning.' Slaves weren't paid like the mill girls. Instead, they were given unbearable food and a poor a living area.
Slaves had a terrible and horrifying life, but the mill girls didn't have such a bright life either. Lowell, Massachusetts was considered to be a factory village from the 1830s to the 1840s. Women and young girls came from everywhere in the United States to come work at these cotton mills.' We can hardly realize what a change the cotton factory made in the status of the working women.' These working women were tirelessly working day in and day out. And only for a small portion of money. Most of the mill girls had to go door to door after work to find more work. Since here mill girls weren't paid properly, they did go on strikes. Lowell, Massachusetts actually had one of the very first strikes in the United States. 'At this time women had no property rights.' Women were degraded at this time. They were treated for less than what they really were. Not only did they not have property rights, but they couldn't even manage their own money without a man's help. Their rights were very limited at the time. Men basically owned women at this time because their rights were very limited.
While mill girls had a hard life, slaves had the worser of the two. The slaves had to work all day in the boiling sun with no pay and hardly any food. Not only did the slaves have bad jobs, but the women would even be raped by their slave masters and that was considered acceptable.The families of slaves would be torn apart during the slave auctions. The mill girls could at least get paid and see their families. It is hard to believe that America the home of the free could allow this to take place on its soil.
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Chandler LaMott from 165.139.252.252 @ 2:21 pm on 04/02/2014
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There are some things that are similar between a mill girl and a slave girl. One is that the slaves would work all day.'The hands are required to be in the cotton field as soon a it is light in the morning, and, with the exception of ten or fifteen minutes, which were given to them at noon to swallow their allowance of cold bacon, they were not permitted to be a moment idle until it is to dark to see, and when the moon is full, they often times labor till the middle of the night.' This was about the same for the mill girls except for that instead of physical punishment they just docked their pay or fired them, but they also had to get up at five and work till sundown. For, if they did not, they would face retribution from their superiors in some way or they other ranging from docked pay to being fired. One more similarity is that both white women and all blacks were discriminated against. 'As late as 1840 there were only seven vocations outside the home into which women of New England had entered. At this time women had no property rights.' Some of this vocations included working at the cotton factory, becoming a tailor,a servant, or sometimes a teacher. While slaves had only a few more options but much less chance to be hired. The mill girls also were not allowed to be responsible for spending money or owning land before this. Blacks were never allowed to own land or property and also rarely got money is any way.
Some differences between blacks and working white women is that the white women were free and the blacks were slaves. Some other differences are that white women are paid, even if only a little of what their due, for their labor. 'The very young girls were called 'doffers.' . . . They were paid two dollars a week.' No matter how bad it got for the blacks they could rarely get away if they even tried. Most who did try only made it worse for themselves. The white mill girls, however, were a very different story. If something did go wrong at the factory they could always take up another occupation, no matter how few options for other jobs there were. Though they might be pressured to stay there because their families needed the money. Another difference between slaves and mill girls is that the mill girls were allowed to converse, read, write and gather. Slaves were given none of these things. They were not allowed to read, write, or gather in groups larger than three without a supervisor.
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Ethan Carman from 165.139.252.252 @ 11:52 am on 04/02/2014
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In the early 1800's slavery was a popular sight in the south. Many plantation owners had slaves, and treated them as if they were animals. They were forced to work all day, and partially into the night. They worked hard all day and did not receive any or a few cents of pay. This is also very much like the Lowell Mill girls. They were forced to work 5:00 in the morning until 7:00 at night. They were payed little for their work, but they received a decent amount of food and were still given a bed to sleep on. Many were women earning money for their families to survive. They worked six of the seven days in a week unlike slaves. Mill girls were treated with respect but yet were still looked down upon for the horrible job they had.
The Lowell Mill girls were also given breaks during the summer to go home. No slave was given this opportunity. Lowell Mill girls also had the right to go on strike without being killed or beaten, like a slave would have been. Although the girls had more freedom and were more respected than slaves, they both had hard working conditions. In the mills there was open leather belts and wheels, and slaves were whipped if they did something wrong and they could get heatstroke.
In Solomon passage he states that, 'Solomon Northrup was a free black who was kidnapped in New York and sold into slavery for twelve years.' He is saying that people took away the freedom he rightfully had, this is like going to work for the mills. They had almost no freedoms when they working in the mills. Also Solomon Northrup says that, 'He was finally returned to freedom through the efforts of New York's governor.' He was only able to get out of slavery after seven years from sending a letter to his wife and the Governor of New York, where he lived before he was kidnapped and put into slavery. This is very much like the Lowell girls, once they worked their it was like they were kidnapped into slavery and only the summer break could get them out.
Harriet Robinson was a Lowell girl that wrote bout her experience at the mills. She said, 'At the time the Lowell cotton mills were started the caste of the factory girl was the lowest among the employments of women.' They were the least respected of the woman work force, even below housewives. She also said that, 'Some were not over ten years old; a few were in middle life, but the majority were between the ages of sixteen and twenty-five.' This is very much like most if the slaves. Many of the slaves were young and hardworking like the Lowell Mill girls.
Slaves are very much alike the Lowell Mill girls, they both worked in poor conditions and were treated poorly. Although the girls got money, they were still the lowest class of women according to society.
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Alex Taylor from 165.139.252.252 @ 7:10 pm on 04/01/2014
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Lords of the lash and lords of the loom
Life in the 1800s was extremely hard for both slaves and mill girls but most people only know how hard slaves work. Both slaves and mill girls had to work extremely hard and had to begin work very early. 'Mill girls had to work from 5 am to 7 pm with only 2 breaks for breakfast and dinner. These breaks were usually half an hour each.' (Boston: Wright and Potter, 1883) Slaves also had to be in the fields usually before dawn picking the cotton and working in the house. 'The hands are required to be in the cotton field as soon as it is light in the morning, and, with the exception of ten or fifteen minutes, which is given to them at noon to swallow their allowance of cold bacon they are not permitted to be a moment idle until it is to dark to see, and when the moon is full, they often times labor till the middle of the night.' (Auburn, N.Y, 1853) Also many people don't know that some mill girls were beaten. Mill girls were thought of as people that had to be stripped of there impurities. 'In the eyes of her overseer she was but a brute, a slave, to be beaten, pinched and pushed about.' (Auburn, N.Y, 1853) Also many leaves were beaten if they ran away, didn't listen to there master or overseer, and or worked to slow in the fields or house. Another similarity between slaves and mill girls were that they both had to work at extremely your ages. Slaves were born into slavery and began working at the earliest age possible. Mill girls would work at the youngest age of between seven and ten. Most mill girls had to work this young because of a father or mother not being able to work and so the child had to supply for the family. 'The very young girls were called doffers. They doffed or took off, the full bobbins off the spinningframes, and replaced them with empty ones. These mites worked about fifteen minutes every hour and the rest of the time was there own.' (Boston: Wright and Potter, 1883) Even though mill girls were very young and didn't have much work to do they still had to work fourteen hour days same as the older mill girls. Young slaves were the same way, they were born into slavery and had to work long days. Even though they might get lighter work loads they still had to stay out in the fields as long as the older slaves.
Even though there are many ways that slaves and mill girls were the same there are many ways that they were different. You were born into slavery. You were a slave until you died, unless you were a runaway or were freed by your generous master. Slaves were forced to work they had no choice in the matter. Mill girls on the other hand were not forced to work. They could have quit if they didn't like the working conditions or the hours. Also mill girls were paid whereas slaves weren't even though they both did extremely hard labor. Even though mill girls were paid it was very little, they were only paid 2 dollars a week. (Boston, Wright and Potter, 1853).
Slaves and mill girls had many similarities in life but also many differences. They were both treated harshly and had to work hard hours but mill girls were paid and slaves weren't. Seeing how mill girls and slaves we're treated really allows you to see how people were discriminated in the mid 1800s. Though without the hard labor of slaves and the mill girls life would have been very different in the growing United States.
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Hannah Myers from 165.139.252.252 @ 6:53 pm on 04/01/2014
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In many ways slaves and mill girls were similar, however they were also vastly different. They both lived far apart, yet they were both close to each other figuratively. The lives of slaves and mill girls were both unique in their own way.
the similarities between the mill girls and slaves were plenty. Both the slaves and mill girls had overseers. Both the mill girls and the slaves had to live in less than favorable conditions, both worked tirelessly everyday, and both the slaves and the mill girls had to sleep in crowded spaces with very little sleep. The living space was not bearable for both the slaves and the women. The mill girls and slaves lived in different living spaces, but both were still not normal living conditions. Both the slaves and the women were thought of as less than men in society. 'A woman was not supposed to be capable of spending her own, or using other people's money.in Massachusetts, before 1840, a woman, could not, legally, be the treasurer of her own sewing society, unless some man was responsible for her. The law took no cognizance that a woman was a moneyspender. She was a ward, an appendage, a relic.'
the differences between slaves and mill girls were plentiful too. The overseers were very different in the way they acted towards each group of people. 'These mites worked about fifteen minutes every hour and the rest of the time was their own. 'When the overseer was kind they were allowed to read, knit, or go out to the mill yard to play.' This excerpt perfectly sums up the way the overseer treated the women that worked at the mills. The overseers treated the slaves much worse than the mill girls. The overseers did not think of the slaves as people, like they did the women of the mills. Another major difference between slaves and the mill girls is that the mill girls had work hours and got pay, slaves normally did not earn any money in their lives. Another big difference in the lives of slaves and mill girls is that slaves had to pick he various crops (mostly cotton), and do household chores. 'The days work over in the field, the baskets are 'toted', or in other words carried to the gin-house, where the cotton is weighed. No matter how fatigued or weary he may be no matter how much he longs for sleep and rest a slave never approaches the gin house with his basket of cotton but with fear. If it falls short in weight, if he has not performed the full task he was appointed with, he knows he must suffer.' Another major difference that I am going to explain is the difference between the mill girls and the slaves schedules. The slaves worked hard long hours with little brake. The mill girls worked 10-14 hour shifts. The major difference is hrs the slaves worked year round, but the mill girls got a summer off to spend with their families. The women also were fed better than the slaves. 'All that is allowed them is corn and bacon, which is given out at the corncrib and smokehouse every Sunday morning. Each one receives as his weekly allowance, three and a half pounds of bacon, and corn enough to make a peck of meal.'
in conclusion the slaves had a lot more rougher life than the mill girls. They both had many similarities, but the differences outstayed the similarities, when it came to the slaves and mill girls. 597 words
Christian Steiner from 165.139.252.252 @ 1:29 pm on 04/01/2014
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A Slave and a Mill Girl
A slave and a mill girl, nothing alike, but yet nothing different. The slaves and the female factory workers were much more the same than different. There similarities are varied, but on summed up are quite obvious. The mill girls had very tight shifts where the slave did to. If the mill girls weren't on time then it would hurt their pay badly. As well as the slaves. If a slave had not arrived to the plantation, house, or forest for lumber, slaves would literally be hurt physically, which is different than the mill girl's punishment, but in general it is the same. 'She was a ward, an appendage a relict.' The basically sums up how badly mill girls were treated, just like slaves, except slaves were treated a little worse. In the eyes of a mill girl's overseer, she was a but 'a brute, a slave, to be beaten, pinched, and pushed about.' The working hours of mill girls were especially similar to the slaves'. They would start at 5:00 am and then end at around 7:00 pm. Of course for a slave though, those times would very to whenever their master wanted them out.
Even the little doffers, or the younger bunch, were forced to work 14 hours. One of the first strikes that took place in the U.S. was in Lowell in 1836. The mill girls stopped going to the factories as soon as they found out that their wages were going to be cut down even lower than they were. 'One of the girls stood on a pump and gave vent to the feelings of her companions in a neat speech, declaring that it was their duty to resist all attempts at cutting down the wages.' People were very shocked at this speech and others joined her. Slaves related to this very much because they were constantly trying to escape the fact that someone owned them, and that they would probably work until they died. Some would speak out like Frederick Douglass, and some had to stay very strong, knowing they had to do everything they could to be free a free man or woman again.
The differences on the other hand have their similarities, but they are quite obvious. First off, the mill girls of course would have made some mistakes, no problem, unless it was near a machine, then they might have lost a limb. If a slave had made a mistake any kind of mistake at all, he would have been whipped, beaten, or branded, then again of course it depends on their master to decide the consequences. 'No matter how fatigued and weary he may be- - no matter how much he longs for sleep and rest- - a slave never approaches the gin- house with his basket of cotton but with fear. If it falls short in weight- - if he has not performed the full task appointed him, he knows that he must suffer. And if he has exceeded it by ten or twenty pounds, in all probability his master will measure the next day's task accordingly.'this proves that a slave can never be ready for a night's end for there will always be consequences. 'An hour before day light the horn is blown.' This is around the time when most slaves would begin their work, just starting another long days end.
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Nathan Geisner from 165.139.252.252 @ 9:32 pm on 03/31/2014
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In the 1800's there were two kinds of working going on. One was willing and an actual job and the oh her was forced. Slaves and factory working were the two types of working happening. Slavery was in the south and factory workers in the north. The factories were part of the industrial revolution in America. Both of these jobs were hard and required long hours of labor. (64)
There were similarities and differences in these jobs. They both required long hours of work and cruel treatment. In the factories or mills, the people working had someone watching over them and were required to work constantly unless you were a small child. ' the working hours of all the girls extended from 5 o'clock in the morning until seven in the evening, with one half hour each, for breakfast and dinner' this quote explains the long hours of labor required in the factories at the time. The overseer could yell or push them to get them to do what the workers were supposed to do. The factories were also dangerous because of the spinning and running machines all around. The workers had to be careful were they were walking and had to watch so they wouldn't get hurt. The same things in the cotton fields hale next I slaves. They also had an overseer who looked after them whenever they were working and sometimes even at night. This overseer could yell and could even whip the slaves if they weren't doing what they were supposed to be doing in the fields. The slaves also had to work constantly. They had long intense hours of labor and if they didn't complete their jobs, they could get in serious trouble. Life in the fields was also dangerous. The slaves were forced to work under bad conditions. The heat was intense in the summer and some of the slaves fainted while working the field. They were also barefoot and could step on rocks or sharp things and injure themselves. 'Then the fears and labors of another day begin; and until it's close there is no such thing as rest'. This quote explains the exhausting hours slaves were put through and how hard it was for them. (287)
There were also differences in the two different jobs. The girls working in the factories were payed to do their job. They were barely payed anything but they were payed. 'Her labor could command but small return'. This is what the women in the factories felt like. They were working hard and almost got nothing in return. For every dollar a man made for working, a women got only 40 cents! The slaves however were payed nothing at all. The only things they were given was barely enough food to survive on and a place to sleep. 'An hour before daylight the Joni s blown'. The master wanted the slaves out and working before the sun even rose so they could get a full days work in. The slaves worked until sundown and sometimes when the move was full, they would work into the night. The slaves never felt rested because they were always going with just a few hours if sleep. Another difference was that the girls in the mill signed up to do their job and weren't sold or bought into it. The slaves were forced to do their jobs for nothing. The mill girls did their jobs for their families. They had a choice in what they wanted to do to make the money. (213)
Both the slaves and the mill girls had it hard but overall, I think the slaves had it harder. The slaves never got paid and were physically hurt when they didn't obey. They were in much more danger than the mill girls were. Both jobs were hard and tedious but slaves had hard lives.
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Brooklyn Hayes from 165.139.252.252 @ 3:14 pm on 03/31/2014
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In the two stories I read twelve years as a slave and mill girls there were a little alike and a little different. In twelve years as a slave they talk about how the slaves used to work in fields and in mill girls they worked in mills spinning. In twelve years as a slave they also have more chores to do after they pick the cotton. They have to put the cotton in baskets that they have made then after they are don't picking the cotton! The cotton must be weighed and if it is not the right amount of how much it needs to way the slave knows that he is going to suffer. They also said how they had to work from sun up to sun down everyday even if it was passed time they still had to work. They even had to keep working even if it was dinner time, they were told to keep working so they never stopped. They had to eat cold bacon and cold corn cake for dinner. After the month of January they plant corn and they have to harvest, picking cotton, gathering the corn, and pulling and burning the stalks. They both did cotton work but they did it in different ways in both readings. In the mill girls reading I read that there were girls working under the age of ten. I also read that the older women worked 8 to 10 months of the year. The girls got paid two dollars a week. The younger girls said that they went to school to be taught or went to hang out with some of there friends. They had to digress a little because they need to speak of the influence about money. In the late 1840s the women went on strike for the first time because they thought that they weren't getting paid enough and the jobs weren't fair.They are alike in both readings by they are similar because they both have someway that they both make cotton. They talk a lot about how they are different but they are the same because even though they have different ways to do it they are still the same exact thing as making Cotten but they have different rules for each slave reading. 383 words
Madison Surber from 165.139.252.252 @ 12:11 pm on 03/31/2014
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Solomon Northrop and Harriet Robinson were two different types of workers in different time zones. Solomon Northrop was a free man who lived in Auburn New york with his family. To make money Solomon would play the violin at different parties. One night two men came up to him and offered him a job down in Washington D.C. Solomon agreed to go. He made a decent amount of money the first night he arrived. After Solomon and the two white men were done at the party they invited him out to drink. Throughout the night Solomon and the two white men were having conversations, but then Solomon felt sick. They brought him back to the hotel. When solo woke up he found himself in a dark room with chains on his hands and his feet. When he was yelling for help a white man came by to open the gate and Solomon tried to convince the man he was a free man, but the white man said 'no you are a slave that is going to be sold' Solomon said no he is a free man. The white man started to beat him with a wooden paddle and told him to say he was a slave, but Solomon refused to say he was a slave so the white man continued to beat him until he said he was a slave. Solomon Northrop was sold into slavery for twelve years. (1841-1853)Solomon did carpenter work when he was a slave he was fairly good at his job he would get credit from his master. Harriet Robinson was a female factory worker from the age of ten in 1834 to 1848 In Lowell Massachusetts. In 1832 five corporations were started, the cotton mills belonging to them were building. The more factories that were building the more people they needed to work and that means more cotton was being made and picked and order for you to have more cotton picked you needed more slaves to do the labor. Harriet Robinson worked with the Lowell girls since she was ten. The factory was threatening to cut their wages but Harriet wasn't going to put up with lower wages she doesn't make enough as it is. In 1836 Harriet and the Lowell girls went in strike. They ended up keeping there wages. They also went on strike for shortening their working hours but they kept their same 12 hour days. The difference between Harriet's work and Solomon's was working in a field and working in a factory.
Jake McDonald from 165.139.252.252 @ 12:09 pm on 03/31/2014
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In the 1800's, slaves had no rights. However, even with no rights, men were still seen as superior to women, and were treated with more dignity. Although slaves were considered animals, men were usually the member that made the owner proud, thus allowing men to be treated with more respect, while the women resembled the small, weak members that struggled to survive. The struggle of life as a slave, man or woman, is a violent, cruel, and hurtful road nevertheless. There were many similarities and many differences between life as a slave and a woman working as a laborer.
There are many similarities between life as a slave and life as a female working as a laborer. Among the similarities are the fact that slaves were inferior to whites. No matter what whites did, said, or thought, it was superior to any action of an African. In a reading of Solomon Northrup, it is stated that, ' the hands are required to be in the fields as soon as it is light in the morning, and, with the exception of ten or fifteen minutes, which is given them at noon in order to swallow their allowance of cold bacon, they are not permitted to be a moment idle until it is too dark to see, and when the moon is full, they often labor till the middle of the night.' Harriet Robinson states that,'The working hours of all the girls extend from five o'clock in the morning until seven in the evening, with one halfhour each, for breakfast and dinner.' These two quotes state that both slaves and laborers worked long, hard, and with little rest. Both were most likely overworked. Harriet Robinson says, 'Even the differs were forced to be on duty nearly fourteen hours a day.' Doffers were the younger people working in the manufacturers. Even with the similarities of the two workers, there are many distinct differences between working in a factory and working as a slave.
As a slave, Solomon Northrup knows first-hand the struggle of being a slave. Northrup says, 'Mo matter how fatigued and weary he may be--no much he longs for sleep and rest--a slave never approaches the gin-house with his basket of cotton but with fear.' Northrup says this because if a slave does not meet the standard set by the owner, the slave is whipped, which no slave, or anybody for that matter,means to experience. Northrup explains this by saying, 'if it falls short in weight--if he has not performed the task appointed him,he knows he must suffer.' Even though slaves knew they were going to suffer after a long day in the fields, there were many surprise punishments that slaves experienced. If a slave-owner was displeased by anything a slave did, there was nothing wrong with the slaves being whipped. Slaves were punished, and possibly the worst part, they didn't know why. These, to them, random punishments made a slave not even want freedom, but want death. Though both slaves and factory workers have tough jobs, conditions, and employers, slaves were often brutally beaten and punished, often when they made minor mistakes. Slaves had major consequences for little actions, and that is why I feel that slaves had a tougher life than women working in factories.
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Brayden Clark from 165.139.252.252 @ 12:07 pm on 03/31/2014
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America is not somewhere I would have liked to live back in the 1800's. It included many years of suffering and unfairness to not only African American slaves and free men alike, but also to women. In this time, African Americans and women were treated very similar. Of course, African Americans were probably treated worse than most women, but some people don't know that life as a woman in that time period could be just as hard.
Life as a slave was exhausting, and so was life as a mill girl. They both got up at extremely early hours to start working, and had long exhausting work hours with barely any breaks. Mill girls were at work at 5:00 a.m., and only got a 30 minute break for each breakfast and dinner. 'The working hours of all the girls extended from five o'clock in the morning until seven in the evening, with one halfhour each, for breakfast and dinner.'(Boston: Wright & Potter, 1883) Slaves were up by daybreak to start their work in the cotton fields, and they only got a 10-15 minute break for lunch.'The hands are required to be in the cotton field as soon as it is light in the morning, and, with the exception of ten or fifteen minutes, which is given them at noon to swallow their allowance of cold bacon, they are not permitted to be a moment idle until it is too dark to see, and when the moon is full, they often times labor till the middle of the night.'(Auburn, N.Y., 1853) Both slaves and mill girls were treated unfairly and disrespectfully. In the eyes of both their overseers, they were all slaves. Slaves, that they weren't afraid to beat and punish. Both slaves and some mill girls were beaten. Some mill girls were beaten to destroy their self respect and purity. 'She was represented as subjected to influences that must destroy her purity and selfrespect. In the eyes of her overseer she was but a brute, a slave, to be beaten, pinched and pushed about.'(Boston: Wright & Potter, 1883) Slaves were beaten because their masters wanted them to be afraid of them. They suffered no matter how well or how bad they did a task. 'If it falls short in weight- - if he had not performed the full task appointed him, he knows that he must suffer. And if he had exceeded it by ten or twenty pounds, in all probability his master will measure the next day's task accordingly. So, whether he had two little or too much, his approach to the gin- house is always with fear and trembling.'(Auburn, N.Y., 1853) Another similarity between slaves and mill girls is that they both work at young ages. Mill girls can be as young as 10 years old and still be able to work. Since they are young they get more time do to what they want during the day, but they still have the same hours as a full grown mill girl. 'Even the doffers were forced to be on duty nearly fourteen hours a day.' 'The early millgirls were of different ages. Some were not over ten years old; a few were in middle life, but the majority were between the ages of sixteen and twentyfive.'(Boston: Wright & Potter, 1883) Slaves could be born into slavery. It didn't matter how old they were to anyone. They probably got lighter work than grown slaves, but they were still put to work and punished if they didn't do it right.
Life as a slave was never ending. You were a slave until the day you died. If you didn't die as a slave, you either were a runaway or you were freed by your master. They didn't get any days off. Mill girls were not held and forced to work against there will. They were granted a couple months off of work each year. 'Those of the millgirls who had homes generally worked from eight to ten months in the year; the rest of the time was spent with parents or friends.'(Boston: Wright & Potter, 1883) Even though both slave and mill girls did work, only mill girls were paid. Slaves were not paid for the hard work they did. They were paid in the form of food, but they weren't even given an appropriate amount. They were given barely enough to live on. 'All that is allowed them is corn and bacon, which is given out at the corncrib and smoke- house every Sunday morning. Each one receives, as his weekly allowance, three and a half pounds of bacon, and corn enough to make a peck of meal.'(Auburn, N.Y., 1853) Mill girls were paid for their work in the factories. Though they were paid, they were not paid a lot. In fact, they were paid less than a man was for doing the same job. 'Her labor could command but small return. If she worked out as a servant, or 'help,' her wages were from 50 cents to $1.00 a week; or, if she went from house to house by the day to spin and weave, or do tailoress work, she could get but 75 cents a week and her meals.'(Boston: Wright & Potter, 1883)
Slaves and mill girls had many similarities as well as differences. They were both treaty unequally and unfairly in America. I don't think anyone would want the difficult life they had. As Americans we need to recognize these men and women, and honor them for their work in our country. America wouldn't be where it is today if it weren't for them. We didn't deserve their hard work, sweat, and tears, but we can't change our past. What they went through should be recognized and honored by us every single day of our lives.
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Chase Epp from 165.139.252.252 @ 9:05 pm on 03/30/2014
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'Lords of the Lash and Lords of the Whip'
Slaves and Lowell mill girls were very much alike,and very different. Slaves were normally Africans, while mill girls were white and 'usually aged 15 to 25.' Another difference was where they lived. Slaves would live in huts and outhouses normally outside the plantation house. 'Generally mill girls lived in boarding houses, which were normally three and a half stories high, and held 20 to 40 people.' The boarding houses were run by female keepers who kept strict rules and codes of conduct.
This is like slavery in many ways. A slave could get punished if they misbehaved their master's(keeper's) orders. Same with the Lowell girls. That may have been the only way their punishment could have been alike. Slaves could get whipped, branded, and even murdered if they acted up. Lowell girls could receive other punishments like not being able to go do what they please.
Normal days for Lowell girls would start at 5 o'clock. They would wake up and the water would pump into the factories so they could work their machines. Slaves would be woken up at sunrise and be forced to pick cotton, beans, and wheat with their bare hands. They would only be able to use the cotton gin to separate the cotton from the seeds. Lowell girls would get a 30 minute break at seven o'clock to eat breakfast. Slaves never got breaks to eat, until it was sunset. If they took a break, in most cases, they would be whipped and punished. Lowell girls would usually work 12 to 14 hours Monday through Friday. They would work half days on Saturday, and never worked on Sundays. Slaves would work everyday under the normal master, even on Sundays. Unless their master was very kind, slaves had toils on their bodies that anyone can't even imagine. ' ...a slave never approaches the gin-house with his basket of cotton but with fear...' Lowell girls would normally earn 40 to 80 cents a day, while slaves would earn their weekly allowance of food which definitely wasn't enough to be healthy. 'All that is allowed them is corn and bacon, which is given out at the corn crib and smokehouse every Sunday morning. Each one receives, as his weekly allowance, three and a half pounds of bacon, and corn enough to make peck of a meal. That is all-- no tea, coffee, sugar, and with the exception of a very scanty sprinkling now and then, no salt.' This sounds awful. Slaves were given a set amount of food each week, while Lowell girls could go out and go buy food that they like. That was definitely not what slaves got. Slaves got food and if they didn't like it they didn't eat, no fix me something else or I guess I won't buy this again. They either ate the corn and bacon or died. Simple as that.
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Andrew Ashburn from 165.139.252.252 @ 11:53 am on 03/28/2014
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In the 1800's a new machine was invented that would change the lives of slaves and women, this machine was called the cotton gin. The cotton gin made it easier to clean the cotton and remove the seeds from it. And since the cotton could be cleaned quicker that meant it had to be made quicker. Now the slaves were picking at least 50 pounds of cotton each day. And in the north factories started popping up all over the place. And since the males were busy working in mines or doing business women had to work in the cotton factories.
These people, slaves and women, are similar because both worked long hours each day, usually up to 14 hours a day. Both did not like their work, and both started at a young age.
Slaves how ever are much different, because unlike the white women, they did not get paid even a penny for their work. The slaves worked all the way into the night and if on a full moon even later. Picking cotton, feeding animals and splitting wood. (Excerpt from a Solomon Northrop reading.) The slaves had no choice in when they worked, or if they could quit. The slaves were beaten if they did not listen or if they did not do their work for the day at a quick enough pace. And if they were caught running away, they may have been beaten to within an inch of their life, or worse. Sometimes the slaves were beaten so bad and so often that their bodies couldn't handle it anymore and they just died. The slaves were treated much worse than the Lowell girls. Compared to the slave the Lowell girls had it easy.
The Lowell girls did have it pretty rough, too. But these people had the choice to work, and they only did it to help their families. They also worked 14 hour days, until a law was set in place that they could only work 10 hour days. But at least they got paid for it. Even though it was not much. It was .40 cents to every one dollar a man earned. Sometimes they only earned two dollars a week, but every penny helped their family. They also couldn't be whipped, because it was common sense that if you wanted your paid workers to keep working you really should not hit them with a whip for hours on end.
So yes the slaves and the Lowell girls both had it rough. But when it comes down to it the slaves had it much harder. Because they did not get paid and the got beaten.
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Gavin Chorrushi from 165.139.252.252 @ 11:31 am on 03/28/2014
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The two stories I read, twelve years as a slave and a mill girl, were a little alike and a little different. They were different by the jobs they did. In twelve years as a slave it was talking about working in the field, and in a mill girl it was talking about working in the mills spinning and working on Cotten. In twelve years as a slave they are talking about how they have to work form us up to sun down. Also that they can't stop working, even if it is past the time they are supposed to be working, until the driver says they can stop. It was even said in the book that 'they do not dare to stop even at dinner time.' Also in twelve years as a salve they talk about picking Cotten and if you don't pick enough Cotten as the driver or owner wants you to then you get wiped. If you pick to much Cotten then you were expected to pick the same or more the next day and if you didn't you would get whipped. In a mill girl though they were talking about working in the mill and about how the girls got paid, which was not very fair compared to what the men were getting paid. It also talked about how for the first time a girl got up and tried to speak for her rights. The girls held out of not working for a while, but they ended up going back to work and nothing changed. The strike gave way to further successful strikes though. So in conclusion the differences between the two are that twelve years as a slave is about working in the field and the amount of Cotten they picked, and a mill girl is about girls working in Cotten mill and not getting paid enough so they went on strike. The similarities are that they both have someway of working with Cotten. In twelve years as a slave they work in the fields picking Cotten. In a mill girl the girls are working on spinning it into thread like pieces. Another similarity is they are both working long hours. One all day the other fourteen out of the twenty-four hours a day. Those are the differences and similarities of twelve years as a slave and a mill girl.
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Justine Jenks from 165.139.252.252 @ 3:19 pm on 03/27/2014
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Contrast of Slaves and Women in 1800s
There were many differences are far as the slaves, and the working women. Neither one of their positions was right though. I do think though the women should understand that the slaves were a little bigger deal than them though. They were striking at items when the US was focused on the slavey issue. You never know without all of the bickering from the women slavery could have been abolished sooner, and I think the women should have understood that. I do understand why they were mad though, but honestly they didn't really have to work if they thought it was so unfair. It seems like they kind of put them selves into their own position. Slaves on the other hand didn't have a choice. They were forced to work, and they got no pay at all. The women even though their pay was next to nothing they were still paid, and got full meals. Slaves were given a weekly allowance of small portions of bacon, and corn.
I do not believe though that the women's pay was correct. It was kind of dumb to make these women work for hours on end 6 days a week just to get a small pay of somewhere between 40 to 80 cents per day. They did have to work like slaves it seems. The only difference was that they got more breaks, and were not yelled at. They were treated like humans unlike slaves. Slaves were literally treated like livestock. The only difference between slaves and livestock is that slaves were sold and bought for more money. The white people didn't think they even had feelings. That is really messed up, and that is one reason that white women working in factories should have thought about how much better quality of life they lived. They should be happy that they were not born into slavery. They chose to be in their form of 'slavery'. One huge thing too is that they were not split up form their families. Slaves were just broken up from their families and sold to other plantation owners. You don't see any white women getting broken up from their family's and getting shipped off to factories. The slaves were beaten also. White women that worked in factories didn't get whipped or beaten. Another huge difference is that they could quit. Slaves couldn't just say I quiet to their owner and leave. If they could I don't think that there would be any slavery in the world if that was the case.
So in conclusion women did have an issue, but they should not have complained about their position. They were very fortunate to even be white at the time. I do think though they should have had as many rights as men did at the time, but luckily that has changed. Also blacks were going through a much harder time than whites. Even free blacks. They were never really accepted into society even if they were free. Some of the free blacks were even captured and illegally sold to slave owners. Whites didn't have to worry about that. Just face it society then was really screwed up then. Even more than today, and I believe the women should have understood that. If it was the opposite way, and women were 'better' in society I think I still would have understood that blacks were getting beat to death while all that was happening to me was I was working for small pay for long hours, and I had a choice to quite.
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Connor Hiland from 165.139.252.252 @ 2:31 pm on 03/27/2014
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The 1800s was a brutal time for America. The nation was just starting to get developed after the wars were over with Great Britain, Spain, and France. Our nation had a couple problems. Our nation was big in slavery. America would have millions of slaves working in the fields while having many people owning them to become rich. The other problem our nation has was no women rights. Women had no rights at all for anything. This was until factories started bring built in America.
Solomon Northrup was a slave, but Solomon was born a free man. Solomon got kidnapped into slavery by people he trusted, that he shouldn't have trusted. He had to work as a slave for twelve years!! Solomon's work was brutal for him to do. He had to work in the fields and pick cotton. Picking Colton by hand is a hard thing to do. Solomon had to wake up once the sun came up, or when they could see to start working. He would work all day nonstop, slaves couldn't even stop to rest or to eat. He would be done working once he couldn't see, which sometimes this would be late into the night if it was a full moon. Solomon said 'No matter how fatigued and weary he may be- - no matter how much he longs for sleep and rest- - a slave never approaches the gin- house with his basket of cotton but with fear.' He also talked about what the slaves would do before having to work by saying this 'Then the slaves arouse, prepare their breakfast, fill a gourd with water, in another deposit their dinner of cold bacon and corn cake, and hurry to the field again.' This sentence he says help us understand what it would be like to be a slave and having to get up and work.
Harriet Robinson was a women working in a factory. She worked in a factory from 1832 to 1848. Women working in the factories would be like a slave. Harriet says 'In the eyes of overseer she but a brute, a slave, to be beaten, pinched and self respected. This is similar to how Solomon would be treated while he was working as a slave on the plantation. She also says that 'Some were not over ten years old; a few were middle life, butter the majority was were between the ages of sixteen and twenty-five. This is also similar to slavery because slavery had people of all ages in it. Harriet Robinson's work was dangerous for a women. The girls working would only work for about fifteen minutes a hour taking off the full bobbins from the spinning frames and replacing them with different ones.
Over all Solomon and Harriet lived similar lives while working. They both weren't treated nicely while working. What they did was dangerous for them. They both grew up in a time that wasn't very pleasant for African Americans and women. They both got through it a survived to write about to let other people know what it was like back then.
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Jacob Brown from 165.139.252.252 @ 2:07 pm on 03/27/2014
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